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And there in i rest my case you honour. For about the 5th time the time handed down by the Judge is for example a 10 years sentance, to be elidgable to apply for parole in 5 years. You dont naively believe that when a Judge jails someone for 10 years they really think or intend that the'll serve every day of that sentance in custody do you?

No problem, you clearly didn't know, i guess they dont explain that in the papers though do they. My view on this is that the majority of the public dont understand how it works, which is clearly evident by the comments on here. Like yourself, they see say 10 year sentance and think that it 10 years in prison and that people get let out early for being good, when this isn't the case at all. To be honest though, i cant imagine why anyone would want to leave, surely they'd all be deliberately misbehaving to extend their stay, afterall it's just like free a holiday camp isn't it, with TV's, playstations and as much smack as you can inject.

On the bench, i think he has lost it and not good enough for us.

As i've already said it's none of your business, but I can absultely guarentee i have more experience and knowledge of the system than you do. My view is not based on reading stories in newspapers to suit their agenda.

You might think that is how it should work and maybe you are right. But that is not how it does work. It really is quite simple. Everything in sentancing is decide by the judge and precidents set for sentancing on previous similar trials. If they misbehaved whilst inside they DO get time added onto their sentances. If they behave there is A CHANCE, they may be granted parole, although generally the longer the sentance the less likely it is on first application. The Judge is fully aware at sentancing an offender could be released in 5 years of a 10 year sentance. The judge is also fully aware that even if they dont get parole, they'll be released at the 2/3 point automatically. What these people that say "10 years should mean 10 years" fail to get is that a 10 years sentance is not a 10 year prison sentance. It's a maximum of 6 years and 8 months inside then the rest spent on supervison licences whereby they can be recalled at anytime if they break their conditions or reoffend. As i've already said two or three times is they misbehave they wont get parole and they can also have time added to their orignial sentances, in some cases another prison sentenace can be added onto the time due to serve, but clearly you chose to ignore that. I know of one case at Camp Hill whereby a lad in there serving 3 years ended up serving 8 years due to offences commited whilst inside. (an attack on a prison officer being one of them) Just because you chose to base your opinion on some media story you've read or think something should work a certain way it doesn't mean that is how it does work. What is so difficult to understand?

I fear the affection in the relationship is all one sided.

It does. I *heart* You. xxxx

Well HCDAJFU in a number of positions, but i'd prefer him in midfield, can tackle, pass, good all round player. I'd like to see us be able to play 4-2-3-1 with Cork and Schniderlin as the 2 - Chamberlain, Gully, Lallana as the 3 and Lambert as the 1. This may change though depending on new signings, like CMS!

I am always happy to massage your ego Baj and give praise, honour, even worship where it is due

What i think you mean is everyone assumes they are guilty.

Exactly. The media frenzy around this will influence the jury, it'd be impossible for it not to. Everyone asssumes they are guilty before they've even set foot in court.

They will never be better than Saints Web Baj, at least not while you are on here hun xx

Read my post up the thread on this as you are clearly not getting it. They are not "let out after 5 years" The judge makes them elidgable for parole after 5 years at the time of sentancing, the JUDGE sets the term and the date they are able to apply for parole, it's then down to the parole board to decide if they grant or deny parole after 5 years or whatever date the judge has set. And sentances are increased for bad behaviour, people get time added on for this. But no doubt you read this in the Mail as well that people just get set off on their merry way half way through their sentance as long as they haven't killed anyone whilst inside and the rest of the 5 years on their sentance is forgotten about, i love this naive view people have on the sentancing and prison system, made whilst sitting in their surburban dream, an opinion on everything but no first hand experience of anything.

So it's safe to say that you have zero first hand experience of prison and buy into the Daily Mail image that all prisoners sit around all day in their cells watching their HD, widescreen TVs playing on X boxes or play stations after popping down to the wing drug dealer to pick up their daily fix of smack or crack with gay abandon?

Yes why? He's probably been the second best centre half in L1 this season, would be a good signing and a good partner for Fonte. On another note what about a few Bournemouth players? Been impressed with Pugh, Lovell, Ings and Holland this season.

In certain circumstances then it's probably right, terrorists, murders of children, basically for all cold blooded murder.

Sorry mate, i was reading your comment wrong, for some reason i thought you were replying to me and not Westender!

I agree with A. But i think knocking time off sentances only helps the prisoner and the smooth running of the prison when they are in there, it doesn't help society when they are released. Prisons are there to punish and to protect the public. I think the current parole system works well enough, that way they have boundries and restrictions they are not allowed to break or they will be recalled to prison, but they have to be supervised properly for it to work. the parole systems gives a prisoner an incentive to behave whilst inside anyway.

That's really none of your business, but lets just say it's enough to know that the only people that say they are holiday camps have never been in one and read too many newspaper stories.

Maybe it should but it doesn't. That is where people get it wrong and assume that prisoners get let out early. For a 10 year sentance they will only ever spend a maximum of 2/3s of it in prison. It could mean as little as 5 years if they get parole. It's not a case of good behaviour meaning they get years knocked off, if they get granted parole they get released from custody on the day the judge says parole can be granted but if they do get it they do get it they spend longer on a supervision licence and have strict licence rules to stick to or risk immediate recall. In some cases this could be just being seen in a certain area of a town. BTW being a good boy doesnt automatically mean they'll get parole, it's not as straightforward as that, there are plenty more things they take into consideration.

They dont. When a sentance is set by the judge the judge gives a sentance period, lets say 10 years for example, not all of this is spent in custody though, this is a maximum of 2/3rds of the sentance set by the judge, the remaining 3rd is spent released back on supervison licence, that is what people fail to understand (although tarrifs for life sentances are different). The judge will set a date when the prisoner can apply for parole at the time of sentancing, this is a minimum of half the whole sentance length, so in the case of a 10 year sentance they would be able to apply for parole after 5 years. Parole is then applied for and granted or not depending on behaviour in prision, attitude to offence, probation reports, risk of reoffending etc. If the application is rejected the prisoner can then reapply the following year and every year after that until their release date. It's not a bed of roses when they are released either to go on their merry way doing what they want. They are on licence, have to report to probation and have strict conditions they have to stick to. If there is even a suspicion that the person has offended or is breaking their licence conditions they can be recalled to prison immediately. And sentances are increased for bad behaviour, prisoners get days added for offences inside such as being caught with drugs or alcohol and any criminal offence committed whist inside (eg an assault on another prisioner or officer) are added onto the sentance they are already serving. They dont get let out early, they get let out on the parole date set by the judge and is based on behaviour, rehabilition and risk of reoffending. The assumption that they get let out early for good behaviour is utter nonsense, and based on reading too many newspaper reports and ignorance of the court and sentance procedure.

wind your neck in Plan B.

I would love to see him here, he wants out at Chelsea to get first team football. Personally i think he's a realistic target to having been playing in the championship for the last few seasons

Please tell me which prisons you have been in to know this. And as for your second point regarding Parole, please explain and show examples of where and when sentances have been reduced by parole for good behaviour.

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