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Good lad, you know it makes sense. As i say, it's not a Jewish, racist hate thing, its a Tottenham thing. And if you actually read that David Badel article he says he finds some of the chants funny, but objects to the hissing sounds, so it appears me and Davey boy are singing from the same hymn sheet, or should i say Klezmer sheet.

No i'm not struggling to understand that at all. What i am explaining and what you are clearly struggling to understand is that the use of the term Yid, in football terms, is not meant as a racist slight. It's totally different to chants of N*gger or p*ki at players. It's clearly not a racist chant because it's ONLY sung at Tottenham fans and BY Tottenham fans who call themselves this. As i said above if it was a racist slight, how come Avram Grant doesn't get weekly anti sematic chants at every ground he visits?

How do you know i'm not?. As i stated above its quite correct that Spurs are on their way to Auchwitz and similar songs be banned and the people that chant them dealt with, but when you have 5,000 Tottenham fans singing "Yid Army" then they cant really complain about songs containing that word being used against them. I know many Tottenham fans who aren't offended by it and i'm certain fans that sing it at them dont mean it as slur on Jewish people and are all Jew hating Nazis, Yid thing isn't meant as a racist slur, if it was Avram Grant would be subject to weekly abusive anti sematic chants it's just that Yid is a word Spurs fans use, it's abosolutely no different, in a football context, to Pompey calling us scummers, us calling them Skates, MIllwall calling West Ham vermin, etc.

My god how you love to over analyse things. I'll think you'll find that my avatar is actually a character which i enjoy from a comedy programme which i find very funny, but why let that get in the way of an opportunity to be patronising and pious.

Verbal will probably think you are.

This is exactly my point. Although when i make it because some of the lounge superstars dont agree with me i get abused, by the same people in the next breath claim to be tolerant.

No, i want to know why you think my credentials of being anti-racist are thin. And what does my avatar have to do with anything?

Why?

Sorry Verbal, i know you dont like anyone who doesn't agree with what you say is the law, but its what i think based on my experiences of people i know. If you dont like it then thats up to you.

It's a difficult one and depends how far you take what is considered racist. If a whole section of the crowd was chanting "N....." at a black player then that is obvious and blatent racist abuse. Interestingly enough one of my best mates and his two brothers don't find the N word remotely offensive for that very reason (black people call each other it, not whole sections of the crowd chanting it!), however he doesn't like other words considered by many to be abusive, especially c**n, in fact he finds darkie more offensive than the N word. The thing is the Yid chants aren't aimed at one or two players like the n word ones were in the 80's to single them out as different and be abusive, it would be a different case altogether is Avram Grant for example was subject to loud and aggresive "Yid" chants and gas noises and had skull caps thrown at him from the terraces, as far as he know he isn't. It's a chant aimed at Spurs fans who call themselves it in the same way Pompey call us Scummers, we call them Skates etc. I know it might have religious conotations but as far as most people are concearned in football terms anyway, it's no worse than calling a skate a skate.

The Yid word is not like racist abuse against one player who is black or Asian. The Yid chants at football are aimed at Tottenham fans regarding the clubs Jewish history, but Spurs fans call themselves the same name, so it isn't really racist abuse. I can understanding banning the hissing noise and Spurs are on their way to Auchwitz chants, which you dont hear anymore anyway but calling a Tottenham fan a Yid is not being racist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PHQ5QdNj9U&feature=related Sums up some Saints fans.

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He'll see the season out with us then. Means he'll go to Crown Court for plea and directions in June. Trial might not be until next season now.

Also he isn't wanted by Scotland Yard, Scotland Yard is often used as a metonym for the Metropolitan Police Service of London, UK, as the incident happened in Southampton he is wanted by Hampshire police, nothing to do with Scotland yard at all, although isn't actually on their wanted list as he has been arrested and charged and is awaiting trial. this song is factually incorrect in all areas and should be scrapped.

and the echo gave him MOM. Strange how there can be polar opposites.

it'll be tough but we have won at all the teams around them, Bournemouth, Orient, Colchester and Exeter, who are all better at home than them based on points per game. No reason why we cant win tonight, although i'd take a draw.

This programme is shocking. Murty and Rosenior are the worst presenters i have ever seen and they cover far too many clubs so everyone has hardly anytime on there. We had out usual 20 second slot last night i see. Our region goes right the way down the Plymouth & Torquay, 200 odd miles away, it's ridiculous! WTF is the point of that skills bit with Murty and Fletcher? The only people who would benifit from that are young kids who should be in bed by the time it comes on.

Is one of them Verbal?

Maybe him and Liquidshokk could become football friends if he is still looking?

Generally people look cool in football shirts though, especailly when they have a huge beer belly and wear them with 3/4 length tracksuit bottoms and Reebok classics. THe only thing cooler in that occasion is one of those £3.99 fake shirts you can buy from Sports Soccer with England written across it in red.

That sounds incredibly camp.

Only if you use one for each letter.

No.