hypochondriac

Christ. Who has the time to read all that?

Sounds like a terrible person but hardly the worst crimes in the world.

Yet you seem to be the one who knows all about him and what he's about. Curious.

Who is this Andrew Tate fella? You seem to be a bit of an authority on the subject. I'll add him to the list alongside Hopkins and Robinson.

He will never play for us again after this season. Pretty bizarre how he has acted and subsequently how we have treated him. He will be a bit of an odd footnote who would have been forgotten already if he didn't have the heart problem in the summer.

Maybe he values other policies to a greater degree? Come on this is basic stuff that you know. Plenty of people voted for Labour at the last election but didn't agree with all their policies.

Since when is that the case? I know for a fact that many Labour supporters have taken issues with a lot of their current political programme.

Someone is simple.

I was just thinking this thread had been missing a link to a Guardian article recently.

You can't seriously believe that supporting a campaign prior to being in power and then not supporting it once you've won an election is not going to be viewed as duplicitous. Essentially that would mean you have carte blanche to agree with everything and anything and then do the opposite once in power. He'd have been better off being far more non committal prior to getting in power if he didn't want to be seen as untrustworthy.

I'd say it was a bit more than an implication when you stand behind a sign saying what you will do and then do the opposite.

I agree with that but to be fair every party bullshit to get into power. I think where it's different for this lot is that they were so veciferous in their attacks and with a holier than thou attitude about things like the waspi women only to disavow it all once they got in.

Agree about pensioners but I still think the farmers thing is silly. It would be really easy in that case to have just said that the new rules about inheritance tax apply only if the farm is sold or is no longer in use for food production.

I'm afraid that I do struggle to feel too much sympathy for elderly people given that no elderly people will ever have it so good again in our lifetimes. When young people now get old they will have fuck all by comparison. That's not to say you can't feel individual sympathy for someone going through hardship but let's not pretend that on average they have got it comparatively great.

Much better PR, the "adults being back in the room" which means no scandals on expenses or peddling of undue influence from outside parties, not banging on about great British energy saving us money when energy bills only go up, not making a cock up of the finances and the messaging around the finances so we've seen less tax revenue in than predicted and the tax take going down for the first time in a while. I think they clearly went heavily on how terrible everything was and how it was unlikely to get better when they first got in, realised that was a terrible mistake and so did a handbrake turn and are trying to accentuate positives now. I thought hiring Sue Grey in the manner they did was a terrible unforced error and made them look really dodgy needlessly. I think the Chagos Island deal makes them look weak and gives an impression that they aren't acting in our interests even if I don't particularly care about the Island in isolation. I accept that some things such as private schools and the farmers stuff is a political choice that I disagree with but they could argue they had a mandate for. I think that even discounting that stuff and allowing for the difficult financial situation they inherited, they've been below my expectations and have failed to sell a vision of Britain and a cohesive narrative to the country - hence the woeful polling data (a fact that even Alistair Campbell has been criticising them for.)

The mistakes aren't solely on tax although I agree that is one of the problems.

Nobody asked him to do that though just as nobody expected labour to come in and fix everything. What people wanted with Juric was for us to improve and put a consistent run of improved form together. What is expected from Labour is the equivalent for the country. Sure it's an impossible job if your expectations are wildly and completely out of kilter.

100%.

No job is impossible. There are degrees here it's not all good or all bad and even the most ardent Labour supporter will surely admit that they've made an awful lot of mistakes since last summer even if what they inherited made the job difficult.

31 pages and the usual posters are still talking about the Tories in the thread about Labour.

Soggy - the king of empathy.

Agree again! Resolutely refusing to criticise the "other side" of an argument or even worse misrepresenting or lying about an opposing view is beyond tiresome. Regarding poor MP behaviour, I think we can all agree that there have been some absolute giant shits and wronguns in all sides of the house.

I don't think there is a solution to stop us being shit. I'm merely saying that had we had some more flexibility from the start of the season we would likely have been less shit.

Please can we just have a manager that is flexible and not wedded to one particular style. Ideally it be that can make a neutral assessment of our players and then devise a system that is most suitable for them?