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Well it's not 4:30 so half an hour left!

Interesting. I wonder if our result has been released already and we are keeping it secret while we appeal?

That's what I just said. It will be interesting to see if anything like that is mentioned if we ever get to see the details of any ruling.

Fine then we agree. There is nothing that either of us can think of about this Tonda charge that is materially different from the Bielsa charge (other than the EFL rule break that you state is an irrelevance.) yet both of us accept that it is highly likely that he will receive a harsher punishment. Will be interesting to read the justification for doing so.

Bif if a nothingburger expecting anything today.

Nothing on Alex crooks time-line.

I'm aware. My question which you ignored earlier is in what way the breach from Tonda is different to the breach from Bielsa which would result in a much greater punishment than a warning?

No my point is that if what you claim is correct and that the breaking of the EFL rule is a total irrelevance then logically the only punishment that should be given to Tonda should be a warning because it's a less egregious breaking of their rules than Bielsa. If he gets more than just a warning - which at this point seems incredibly likely - then my question is how is it possible to have such a discrepancy in the sentencing between the two cases? How can there be such a disparity for a less serious breach of the same rule? Unless they are taking into account the breaking of the EFL rules or some other element that you can suggest to me. Not sure what's difficult to understand about that. I'm fully aware that the FA have not charged us for spying and was making the same point last week.

FFS. Point me to any of my posts where I said they did? You have even said yourself that it is likely that he will receive more than the warning that Bielsa got.

But surely the Bielsa warning is the precedent? What is in any way different other than Tonda breaking the EFL rule and having engaged in spying to a lesser degree than Bielsa?

Hopefully it's less but even five games would make no sense if we are to follow your logic about the EFL rule break being an irrelevance.

That's my point. Had Bielsa been harshly treated under the same rule break then you could say Tonda would be bang to rights and deserves harsh treatment to a greater degree. What Bielsa did was actually worse and the only difference between the two that I can see is that Tonda broke the EFL rule (unless there is something proven around bullying but I don't believe he has been charged with that and nor do I believe that it actually happened.)

Think it's fair to say it looks unlikely that this is coming out today. Anything further @MB?

Lets see then. I think even the most positive fans I think would be surprised if it wasn't significantly more serious than being effectively let off with a warning.

Not as a manager/head coach he hasn't.

If what you are suggesting is true then when Tonda finds out his punishment and it's harsher than the warning Bielsa was given how could that possibly be justified? What is the difference between the two that makes the punishment significantly worse than the warning received by Bielsa if not the breaking of the EFL law?

I know they've charged him with a breach of one of their own laws. But the reason he has breached that law is at least in part because of the EFL law he has broken. I feel like I'm repeating myself. Bielsa's spying was more egregious and the only real difference between the two is that Tonda has broken an EFL law and Bielsa didn't.

But the breaking of the EFL rule is at least in part what has caused him to break the FA rule surely? Otherwise there's no reasonable explanation for why Bielsa was not charged by the FA under the same law.

But isn't part of the misconduct the fact that he has broken EFL rules? I would assume so. Had the rule not existed post Bielsa then presumably the FA would not be charging him personally.

People are talking past each other. I think the point being made was that the FA have charged Tonda at least in part because he has broken an EFL rule which didn't exist when Bielsa sanctioned spying.

I know he's had a previous track record of ITK results. Let's hope he's on the money with this one so we can know either way.

Did he really just get a load of tiny African nations to back this plan along with Trump and assume he could just force it through? Not a very strategic move on his part.

Haven't bought a shirt in years but had a browse because I love that third kit. £65 is a joke though. I'm sure that's the standard price but you're mental if you pay that.

Not sure what you mean by that. FA unlikely to announce it on a Saturday. He clearly meant it would be released today but no idea how reliable that poster is. I'm aware they were there last year.