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Probably but it's still interesting to speculate. Generally no idea what they would do in that scenario. Probably have two elections in a year.

He will lose much more than he gains if he does invade.

As long as its framed that way and Trump doesn't view it as retaliation.

So the EU suspend their recent trade deal with America. My prediction is this will mean that Trump will cancel it entirely and possibly put even higher punishment tariffs in place.

We aren't irrelevant we just think we have more influence and importance than we have in reality. If Trump wants to go over our heads, collude with Putin and xi and start some sort of new world order then it's going to be difficult to stop that. Trump could easily ignore anything Britain ever does if he really wanted to. Hopefully it doesn't happen.

You don't need stats to know that the football we've served up in the majority of games is turgid rubbish regardless of the result.

I saw predicted seats based on the latest yougov poll. What a mess this would be!

Whilst what you say is true, I'm not a big fan of giving someone praise due to their identity. A black person or an Asian woman can do a crap job or a brilliant job and the fact they are black or Asian or a woman really doesn't figure into the equation.

TBF he did basically say that. I do find regurgitating stats irritating. He's be better off just not mentioning them at all. At least he mentioned us looking to sign some players which would mean we can bin off some of the losers more quickly. Peretz Bree new cb THB wellington Charles Jander Fellows matsuki Scienza New signing Feels better to me already.

I love this country I think it's brilliant. I also accept that from an American point of view-particularly Trump -has very little incentive to listen to what we want if he disagrees.

When Starmer praises trump in public or when Trump leaks private communication with flattering things leaders have said do you think those leaders really believe those things? Dipmacy is a delicate balance and it often means doing and saying things you'd rather not do because the consequences of telling Trump to fuck himself and cutting off diplomatic ties with America could be much worse than trying to keep them onside whilst not just rolling over and letting Trump do whatever he likes. I'm surprised more people don't realise that. There's also the fact that Britain in reality has very little influence or importance in the modern world and it really would be better if Trump was directing his ire elsewhere.

As opposed to getting into a trade war with one side who holds almost all the cards (even before you mention Ukraine, Russia etc.) unfortunately reality is shit and the reality is that America largely has us by the balls due to lack of investment in defence and relying on America forever by thinking that they would always be there to bail us out. It's rather blown up in our faces and that's the fault of all government over the last couple of decades at least- probably longer. Finding a middle ground where Trump can feel like he has taken a win is the smartest thing to do and it looks like Starmer is attempting to do something along those lines. It's not something that anyone should be overly happy about but it's called diplomacy. Sometimes you have to hold your nose and do what's right for the good of the country and imo this is one of those moments. Having said that, if he does actually invade Greenland then all bets are off.

Regardless of the rights and wrongs of it, the smart play from Labour now would be to 'give in' to Trump and let him think he's won over Chagos as a tactic to try to prevent any more rubbish over Greenland. It's an unpopular move anyway so it won't cost them much politically. Announce you're listening to the leadership of Trump and all get together and announce a big ramping up of troops and assistance in partnership in Greenland. Call Trump the honourary custodian of Greenland or some other made up title so he's satisfied and they can move on to something else.

How so? Obviously he shouldn't be allowed to. Whether we can actually stop him though is another question. Personally like I said I don't think it will come to that as I don't believe he will actually invade. You never know though with Trump.

So if Trump removes all the Greenlanders their opinion on the future of Greenland becomes moot because he won't let them return? Someone should tell Donald that sounds like a great deal for him.

The letter isn't asking for that.

Doesn't sound like there's any chance of that happening:

Why is it? This deal has never sounded like something that Trump would support. The Republican admin were obviously being diplomatic last year because Britain asked them to. It seems very hypocritical to care about self determination for one group of natives but not another with the main difference being that one group are the ones we kicked out in the first place.

Correct. They aren't there because the British moved them off. How can they boot out the people that live there and then give away their homeland to someone they don't want to give it to ?

Eh? It's Britain that won't let the Chagossian people have a say. They don't want to be part of Mauritius.

Right so it was the British that moved them off. So really the island belongs to those people so they should be the ones that have a say on this.

If the U.K. could be so stupid as to give Chagos away, at the behest of International law decided by Russian and Chinese judges, to an ally of China and Russia, pay them billions on an ongoing basis AND then agree IN LAW to tell that ally of Russia and China if the base is ever to be used militarily against anyone including Russia and China - what idiocy could Denmark be persuaded to do under the guise of complying with international law? I don't understand how someone can seriously make the case for the people of Greenland whilst simultaneously doing a deal on Chagos that ignores the wishes of the people who come from there.

Good point. I still reckon this could be sorted with a larger American presence on Greenland and some collective agreement on security. Who knows with Donald but I can't see him actually invading.

I preferred it when you pretended to have me on ignore soggy. No surprise you know a lot about how a narcissist operates.

I wonder if they offered Greenlanders something like $500k each whether they would agree. I'd certainly think about it.