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Is it really necessary to throw around the insults again? I'm genuinely interested in your thoughts. So your view is that you are unable to provide a workable definition of what a woman is. You accept that a definition is necessary but it would have to come from someone else with a greater understanding or more education on the matter that you hope people would be able to build a consensus around? Have I got that right? What would you propose we use in the meantime prior to getting this definition and what if it isn't possible to come up with a definition that you believe would be satisfactory? Who do you think should assist in formulating this definition if you are unable to come up with one? You'd have to continue to exclude biological males from women only spaces in the meantime and you'd have to use some sort of definition to do that.

A rape crisis centre was just one example. The more general point is that clearly there are times when women require women only spaces. As you said, a definition of a woman is therefore required in order to allow those spaces to exist. You said you didn't see the lack of a definition as a problem but clearly it is for the reasons I've just outlined.

But a second ago you just said that not being able to define what a woman is isn't a problem?

Had a break midway through to walk the snapdragon.

Would you support women only spaces for things like rape crisis centres?

I know that being able to answer what a woman is matters a great deal more to many women than it does to either of us. I'm sure you could imagine and I could provide you with a number of scenarios where being unable to define what a woman is may cause some problems.

Glad you read it.

So you genuinely can't answer the question then. Don't you consider it a little troubling if you are unable to have definitions of words? Can you not see how that could potentially cause some problems?

"it's understanding that the true answer may not be within your own capability to adequately answer for all to understand" Genuinely not trying to be antagonistic or thick but I have no idea what you are saying here. Are you saying that you are incapable of providing an adequate definition of what a woman is? Or that you are capable of providing an answer but not one that would be understood by the likes of me?

Colinjb is clearly not an unintelligent person. I genuinely don't understand this confusion that comes over previously clever people. Just a decade ago there wouldn't be an issue answering this simple question. Now you just get non-answers, obfuscation and deflection. You get it from world leaders too so it's affects a lot of people. It's so odd.

I haven't provided limited terms! All I did was ask for a definition! Either words can be defined or they can't. If I asked you to provide a definition of any manner of other things I presume you'd be able to do so yet simply asking for a definition of this particular word is in your mind too limiting? How on Earth is asking for the definition of a word limiting you? You have the entire English language at your disposal to provide any sort of definition you feel is suitable. Explain how it limits you?

"It's not as simple as providing a definitive explanation." That's not an answer to the question of what a woman is. That's telling me what it isn't.

It really has no relevance to anything. It's of significantly more concern if you were unable to define what a woman is, particularly if you are in any sort of position of authority.

OK your latest tactic to not answer the very clear question- "what is a woman" is to ask me an unrelated question to try to get out of answering. Just want to be very clear here that you have been unwilling or unable to answer a very simple question which calls into question your other answers in this area. Colinjb is unable to provide an answer to the question: What is a woman? Just so we are clear. And to pre-empt your mindless response asking me about my GCSEs again, no idea why you think something I did decades ago is of relevance to what a woman is but I was very pleased with my results. Happy to answer in more detail once you've actually answered the question.

Me: "What is a woman" You: "It's not as simple as providing a definitive explanation." So you've failed to answer the very simple question I asked and you're accusing me of not being able to get my head around your answer? It's simply evasion on your part since as I said you are either incapable of answering the question or you don't want to. I'm not sure why.

You didn't clarify your answer stop deflecting. Is your answer to the question of what the definition of a woman is that there is no definition? That's different from the answer you gave earlier where you said that you weren't refusing to answer and that a definition did exist but it was more complex than the definition I had.

The info in the public domain makes it likely the dsd in question is 5-ARD which is the same condition that caster semenya has. In male foetuses internal testes are formed and produce testosterone (hence the raised testosterone levels that got the banned in the first place) but the extra step to another hormone is missing so external male structures aren't formed

So your answer to what the definition of a woman is is that there is no definition? Seriously?

Reports online suggest that the person in question has testicles and XY chromosones. Someone with testicles and XY chromosones is a biological man regardless of what DSD they possess that may give them an outward appearance of a woman. Do you want to help out colinjb? He seems to have difficulty providing the definition of a woman just like you have.

Interesting that you're asking me questions yet you can't or won't provide a definition of a woman. What is it about it that you find so difficult? You don't have to deflect, just answer the question. Can't be that difficult surely?

Was Pinder the model?

Hold on you're saying a definition isn't possible now? Or you could provide me with a "more educated" definition but are choosing not to? You're suggesting it does me no credit because I asked you for a definition of a word? Asking for a definition is wrong because that isn't providing enough nuance? Eh?

Maybe. Still not a fan. She's brilliant, her race isn't relevant.

Worth noting that you call me wrong in the manner of a biologist abd an idiot yet you can't even provide a definition of a woman...