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Sure.

Fascinating to see the change in rhetoric from Starmer and his government on immigration. They are using words and phrases they would have dismissed as racist and dog whistle politics just a year ago. That's politics for you I suppose.

At least in part though that's because loads of public services were set up before we had a giant influx of new people wanting to use the service, some of whom have never contributed to it.

Come on you're better than that.

Yes I know but if loads of people at the next election go to reform due to the failure of the main parties to tackle immigration then that's the fault of the main parties.

The point though is that the public have consistently called for lower levels of immigration. If Labour fail to achieve that during this term then I can hardly blame someone voting for Reform. People have voted continuously for the two main parties and they've all failed to address it so far. That's on them, regardless of how educated the average Reform voter is.

All of your analysis is entirely based on finance. Does the line from Starmer today about being an island of strangers not resonate with you at all? That's about more than money, it's a values thing and a concern that the pace of change and rate of immigration is damaging society.

I don't disagree but pretty lazy just to point at the electorate and call them thick because you don't like how they voted. I personally don't think Reform will do much at all if they ever get in power but I do want waste to be cut in the NHS and wider society. Labour's hope is that they can make a tangible difference over the next couple of years so that people won't feel betrayed with them like they do now.

If nigel gets in then labour and conservative will only have themselves to blame. Failing to adequately control immigration for years is entirely on them.

I don't think there's any indication that we will be playing like that forever. You can't imagine us playing like that next year and then if we do get promoted the hope would be that we would have the players to play an all action closing down style so we wouldn't have to be so negative and defensive all the time. Given the players we have, the opposition and our form it was the most sensible thing to do. Blame the premier league for how uneven it now is and how little chance we have of getting points without doing this.

Given the amount of times this year we have played quite well with possession and had chances only to lose because we get knackered and can't sustain the mindless possession football, I'd take a defensive, negative, battling point over that any day.

All you ever want from your team is to give everything and to set themselves up to give themselves the best chance of points. We did that 100% today and so we can be proud of them for one week at least. Let's hope the ones who stay can take that same sort of mindset into next year.

Playing like that you'd like to think we would have got a lot closer to Ipswich. Would have still gone down of course but it would have been a lot closer.

Martin would have despised today and would have preferred to have lost playing his style which sort of tells you where a large part of the problem was at the start of the season.

I wonder how long it will be before we take any points from city again? Potentially a very long time.

Bore off mate. The season has been horrible so it's healthy to celebrate the small wins and the positives. A battling point to prevent us from entering the history books is something worth celebrating under the circumstances. If you can't do that then you're better off wallowing in misery in private.

I think I can speak for all saints fans when I say I much prefer this sort of bitter, sore loser type reaction to the pats on the head from Pep about what a brave team we are as we crash to a defeat.

Congrats a great achievement. I like a run but not on that scale.

Proud of that performance. Well done Rusk and the players.

Which is why we also need to reduce numbers of legal migration as well. We need to take more of a medium to long term view, increase wages for jobs that Brits 'won't do', massively increase training for important jobs that we need, incentivise greater integration by largely removing public spending on translators and only allow people to live here if they are contributing financially with employment that we actually need. Labour are doing some of the right things in my opinion by trying to slash waste in the NHS but people need to feel that things are improving, that health outcomes are better, that they are more likely to get a doctors or dentists appointment and that every single public service isn't over stretched and at breaking point. A big part of that is due to levels of immigration and that's before we start talking about low trust societies and cultural damage by the levels creating enclaves.

I could get behind that. Optically housing them around the country in hotels is a disaster. Far better off investing in a large and secure dormitory type building and processed as quickly as possible. The important thing is to remove as much of the incentive as possible to come here so it reduces the numbers of people making the journey.

I could get behind that. Optically housing them around the country in hotels is a disaster. Far better off investing in a large and secure dormitory type building and processed as quickly as possible. The important thing is to remove as much of the incentive as possible to come here so it reduces the numbers of people making the journey.

Personally I quite liked the idea of tents. If that's impractical then old army barracks or a secure location like a refugee camp would be preferable to hotels around the country.

Either that or they can personally house one and avoid any sort of related tax.

I'd say we could do a lot more to make it less desirable to come here for a start. That doesn't mean allowing people to die due to easily treatable medical conditions but it does mean spending less generally to house them and give them all handouts. Unfortunately there's just too many people coming here and it's deeply unfair to expect the taxpayer to pay for all this.