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No. The times journos mentioned it this morning. Like I said though, even if you disagree it's definitely up there as one of the worst scandals that coukd result in the PM resigning. To suggest it isn't is downplaying things imo.

Quite a few commentators have considered it the worst since profumo. Even if not the worst it's up there. I honestly think you are downplaying the significance.

What level of friendship is acceptable when the friend is a paedophile?

I agree it is the worst. Don't agree that there hasn't been significant downplaying though. I have more respect for those who think the Tories were absolutely terrible but can hold their hands up and say that this labour government have been on the whole absolutely fucking shit as well. They have been, everyone I know who voted for them regrets it and thinks they have been crap.

I never claimed you said Mandelson and Starmer were not in the wrong. What I'm saying is that there has been a great many other things they have been wrong about that some posters are loathe to mention-preferring instead to bring up the Conservatives and particularly Boris Johnson and Trump. You can look at earlier pages for plenty of examples where clear fuck ups and errors have been downplayed which wouldn't have been the case whilst the Tories were in power.

I don't hate anyone. I think Labour form Blair onwards have been terrible for the country and I fundamentally disagree with the majority of theor political outlook. I don't hate them I'd just prefer they weren't in power and I don't think many posters on here who really do hate the conservative party have been particularly objective about the many fuck ups since they came to power.

I'm not sure you're the best person to judge given you don't think Huw Edwards did much wrong.

Prior to being appointed the bloke was leaking private information to someone with links to the Russians and God knows who else! At the very least he was appointed when Starmer knew he continued to have a relationship with a paedophile after he had been to prison. That on its own is scandalous enough even if nothing else comes out.

It's the biggest UK political scandal in decades and may well cause the leader to be removed. I'd say that is worthy of comment and a dash of derision at those who've spent the premiership so far playing down every terrible decision this government has made. Hardly pant wetting to discuss reality.

You seem a tad upset. We've had months and months of scandal and disappointment from this shambles of a government and we've had people on here consistently saying it's all a storm in a teacup, no big deal, voters don't care, you've been brainwashed by the right wing press if you're bothered and now it's always been obvious that Starmer needs to go. The fact we had loads of talking heads talking about adults back in the room, getting back to the sensible business of government and how nice the silence is is both tragic and hilarious given how action packed the last year and a half have been and not in a good way. If what you say is true and this ends up being his death knell then what an absolute cluster fuck of an administration to get themselves in this position with cratering approval rating s and no one trusting a word they say in a year and a half. I didn't think they'd be a good government but fuck me they've surpassed expectations on that score.

Boris is no longer in power. What is relevant now is the corruption being uncovered in the Labour Party which to my mind is even more hypocritical given that they sold themselves on being different. Boris never tried to hide the fact that he was a massive throbbing bellend.

@whelkdo you agree with this assessment?

It would be more self righteous and vociferous. They'd be calling for him to step down, saying that his government is mired in sleaze and corruption and saying there should be a general election.

Imagine what the opposition would be saying if this were Boris Johnson embroiled in this.

No idea if this is true or not but if it is then undoubtedly more to come

Indeed. He's now admitted in parliament that he knew that Mandelson continued to have a relationship with Epstein after he'd gone to prison for being a paedophile and he still considered it appropriate to hire him. Not sure how he survives this one.

I just saying it's theoretically possible! Fair to say those who voted Labour have been rather burnt including my father.

Whilst I agree it won't matter so much come the election if they sort cost of living, you have to admit the amount of scandal and crises has been ridiculous. Anyone can love Starmer but it's undeniable he has terrible judgement and no political instincts.

Still at least it's not the evil tories eh? "And so my government will fight, every day… Until you believe again. From now on… You have a government unburdened by doctrine… Guided only by a determination to serve your interests… To defy, quietly… Those who have written our country off. You have given us a clear mandate… And we will use it to deliver change… To restore service and respect to politics… End the era of noisy performance… Tread more lightly on your lives…"

I don't know about you but for the first time in most of our lives Britain is looking like a little haven of peace and stability.

He's probably be shite for us and spoil the good memories we have, a bit like Romeu and to a lesser extent Walcott and Lallana.

Yes we do. Mandy was labelled a security risk but Starmer ignored it. Not sure why you're banging on about Farage again but there's a Reform thread if you want to discuss someone who isn't currently in power.

Agreed. It started primarily with Blair and has continued pretty much ever since.

Because those making the decisions have shown time and again now to be utterly incompetent and liable to make precisely the wrong decisions at the worst time. Watch for the inevitable u turn on scrapping jury trials and potentially Chagos next to join the long list. Fingers crossed assisted suicide joins it soon after.

The adults are back in the room, the calm and silence is wonderful, no scandals emanating from the Labour Party.