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I swear Trump's primary criteria for many of his female government employee picks is how hot they are. I wouldn't mind the UK government doing a bit of that actually.With Kelly Brook as education secretary the education might be poor but at least we'd have something half decent on the telly every week.

If it wasn't happening the.there wouldn't be a desire from the police to clarify the law. It's obviously happening as there are loads of examples, many of them filmed.

Also the case of Harry Miller of course who in 2019 tweeted a trans joke and was visited by,the police in order to check his thinking. This was challenged in court with the judge finding that the police had acted disproportionately. Kate Scottow arrested for social media posts the same year with the court of appeal ruling that the prosecution had been unlawful. Darren Brady for putting up a swastika made of pride flags online was arrested for causing anxiety with the charges eventually being dropped. A teen in 2020 who posted rap lyrics including the N word in tribute to a friend who died was visited by the police who recorded it as a non crime hate incident. There are of course many more examples but the point is simply untrue that police don't visit people for a tweet or tweets unless they incite violence. There's loads of examples I'm afraid. I wish they didn't!

O rly? Although this appears to be more than one post- I did say tweet not tweets although there are other examples of police visits for just the one post- it certainly doesn't seem like this policeman had better things to do with his time than try to get an apology from someone who he didn't arrest. You can 100% disagree with everything this lady says by the way and still find this sort of thing objectionable. This follows hot on the heels of four police feeling it necessary to arrest Graham Lonehan as he stepped off a plane for two tweets that even the government suggested was an overreaction

I just prefer to save cries of free speech loss when it's actually someone losing their freedom of speech and not just being booted off a TV network even if it is in a potentially underhanded manner. That's a more interesting discussion for me than just pages and pages of how evil Trump is. I consider Trump to be a largely clownish cartoony figure but in my opinion the major reason he was elected was due to the problems with the opposition. It really should not have been difficult to keep him out after the last time but amazingly they managed to fuck it up so much of this is on them and a bit of introspection from the Democrats would be a welcome thing if they want to get in next time. Unfortunately I don't have tiktok on my phone so it doesn't open. I listen to a lot of those types of podcasts fairly regularly even though I disagree often with a lot of the presentere because I think it's healthy to listen to what people you disagree with are saying. It's one reason for hanging out in the lounge on here. I disagree with you all the time but you often make decent points that I can appreciate.

Sad. I thought you could see the nuance.

How many times? I don't think he should have been kicked off ABC. I don't think someone should use dodgy dealings to get someone booted off a TV network. I don't believe that someone doing that- even though I disagree with it- is a removal of someone's right to speech. It's a removal of his ability to speak on ABC which isn't the same thing.

So banning Trump on twitter was an infringement of his free speech rights ?

Good news. Hopefully future cases will be resolved in a similarly speedy manner.

I don't disagree. It's quite possible there were elements of this involved. I don't think that's a good thing and I don't support him being kicked off. Even if there are dirty dealings to get him off air, he's not been prevented from speaking has he. He still has freedom to say what he likes, just not on ABC.

It doesn't threaten his free speech. It's not completely the same but Lawrence Fox was kicked off GB news as a contributor because he made a crass comment about not shagging someone. That wasn't a free speech issue either.

If Kimmel were put in jail to prevent what he's saying then I'd wholeheartedly agree his free speech is in jeopardy. He's free to tweet exactly what he said on telly now if he wanted. He could put it on YouTube and probably get multiple millions of eyeballs on him immediately.

The FCC can take you off air for a host of different reasons. If Ofcom uphold complaints from someone on GB news and they are removed from air as a result, in what way are they prevented from speaking ?

Indulge me. Do the FCC rob American citizens of their first amendment rights?

Explain how any of that impinges on free speech ?

I don't think he should be sacked. It's likely though that with his contract ending soon, Disney probably didn't think it was worth the hassle given it's still arguable like I said. He's not valuable enough for them to bother with and he was silly to put himself in that position.

In other news, I saw that Brigitte Macron is prepared to provide proof that she is a woman in her lawsuit against that odious piece of rubbish Candace Owens. Let's hope she rinses her for all she has.

it's at least arguable that the implication of his words were that the shooter is a right winger and MAGA people were desperate for that not to be the case so amplified false information. I know that's not what he meant be it can be interpreted that way which is a foolish mistake on his part in my opinion given the febrile atmosphere at present. He'd have been better off not reacting in that fashion.

Yeah I don't agree with that personally as I already said. I don't think they should do that and I don't think he should be cancelled even if you disagree with him. I think he's pretty foolish for saying something like that that is open to interpretation and coukd be implying things that are untrue. It's still not a free speech issue.

Who knows what the reason is. All we know is it's definitely not a freedom of speech issue.

Put it this way - if I knew that someone was using the word fascist, had a trans partner and furry fandom messaging on bullets he'd engraved and people who knew him described his as a leftie who thought that Charlie Kirk was hateful, I'd have been astounded if that person subsequently came out to be on the right. Yes some people were desperate for him not to be on the right for culture war reasons - the exact same thing happens on the opposing side too where people on the left jumped on the fake news that he was a groyper and we eveeb saw the odd example of it on this thread- but most stuff I saw was from people pointing out that the majority of emerging evidence strongly suggested he was on the left. The fact that now people are using that to potentially start a campaign against the left doesn't really change that (and in some instances a reaction to the hate whipped up is justified.)

Didn't the information about him being the leftie in his family, the messages on the bullets and the trans partner come around about the same time that we knew about his Republican family ?

If we have a load of illegal migrants from somewhere like Pakistan who have failed in their appeals, why are we not demanding that the Pakistani government take them all back immediately ? We have significant leverage over many countries.

Bizarre you would think this is curtailing freedom of speech. I wouldn't have cancelled his show but it's not removing freedom of speech if his channel executives want to.

Downes being injured could be a blessing in disguise if it allows us to try some new players in his system. Jander or Aribo for me.