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Ferdinand won't even have any first hand knowledge of the 70s.

Or maybe they realised that there would be some downsides related to brexit but felt that on balance it was worth it anyway because they valued some things more?

They won't stop until social media companies are given ultimate power as chief censors online. Anything considered even vaguely contentious will be preemptively banned by AI. One of the people today was calling for the removal of content that is legal but which might cause harm. Shocking.

Anyway back on topic. Rio Ferdinand said this today about racist abuse of footballers online: "The former Manchester United defender said it was "disheartening" to see racism in football rising to the levels of the 1970s and 80s." What do we reckon? An accurate reflection to compare the levels of racism today to the 1970s and 80s?

See I can't take you seriously when you call someone like Boris really right wing. It's clear you have clear bias with your political leanings. I'm not a fan of the conservatives or the loony left, I'd much prefer to have a liberal government in charge with a small l rather than Boris and his flip flopping and I'd prefer that you didn't make assumptions about my political leanings based on the caricatures you've made up in your own head. That NHS blog article has provoked widespread outrage and it's horribly racist. The fact she cited the works of the likes of Kehinde Andrews-an appaling racist and grifter- gives you an idea of where the article is going. Imagine if I wrote a bloke calling for black people to be uncomfortable your response would be unequivocal. It's clear you treat actions differently based on the race of the victims and that's incredibly racist in itself.

It's not "off beam" I've read the words in the article. It was disgusting and the only reason I've brought it up again is because of how shocking it is and your poor attempts to deflect from the words in, the blog. It was awful. It's not a matter of interpretation, there have been racists promoted into senior positions in organisations like the NHS and they are dammed by their own words. Similarly it is factually accurate that social media companies are about to be given an unprecedented amount of power online to censor speech that they dislike. I'm sorry I don't really want to go on a tangent about hgv drivers.

Maybe so. My bet is still on one of them swallowing the costs and then using it to sell their products. If someone like O2 kept the benefit then they could really hammer the marketing once travelling abroad becomes more of a thing again. Will be interesting to, see how three do out of this, my bet is not too well.

As the analyst has opined, it's going to be hard for them to differentiate themselves in the future and I'll be interested to see how they do. I would be wrong if I said definitively that it wouldn't happen. I'm surprised that they have got rid of it but I never discounted the possibility as I've said more than once.

No the response I quoted above. I didn't say you had quoted it. It would be helpful if you actually read and responded to replies rather than what you think I said. What part of: says it would never happen?

It's not a subjective description of the country, its things that have actually happened and that can be evidenced. Luckily I can do multiple things at once so I'm able to care about the things I outlined whilst also caring about the growing wealth divide for example. That's the luxury everyone has as multi faceted individuals. Caring about women's rights for example or racist blogs from NHS chiefs doesn't mean that I am incapable of caring about open racists at the football or closeted retired racists in leafy suburbs of middle England. Probably best not to get into the specifics of your example about hgv vehicles as different sources give differing reasons as to the cause. I can also care about that as well though who knew?

My quoted post above says the opposite of what you've just said

Not sure what is oh dear about it. I never discounted the possibility of them introducing charges: Whilst this is disappointing news, the good news for me personally is that I've just recently signed a 2 year contract so I'll have a couple of years to assess the market and then make my choice which is how the market should work. Not going to lie though that is a shame and as the analyst says its going to make their network difficult to stand out.

I know it just feels a bit more dodgy when it's an individual sport rather than a team one. If you really don't have much of a connection to a country then it all seems a bit meaningless. I personally feel a much greater connection to athletes who've actually been brought up here rather than shipped in as an adult because they couldn't get a slot elsewhere.

I saw radacanu rise, radacanu ridge or my personal favourite: Emma elevation.

She looks excellent. Excited to have someone to cheer on in tennis for the first time in a few years.

Yes that's when it gets a bit ridiculous. Didn't we have a female American sprinter a few years back who ran for GB because she couldn't get in the American team?

Isn't that the whole point of why the kneeling is a futile exercise? Supporters have said it is important because it keeps the conversation going, yet its pretty likely made things more divisive and hasn't changed any minds of any real racists that I have seen. Surely the point is that this is clearly a contentious issue. With actual open racism at football there's less to discuss because the response is almost universally negative against those who are racist. Not sure anyone is really angry, it seems the personal insults have come from those on the other side of the discussion. My concern is with the incorrect portrayal of Britain as a racist, sexist and homophobic nation when its one of the most tolerant and open on Earth. These false narratives are then used to push for things we've seen on this thread like racist diversity officers on 80k a year, to erode women's rights, to discriminate against people in the jobs market based on their race and sex, to hand social media companies incredible powers of censorship and to spend precious man hours of police time recording non crime hate incidents. So it's not just a case of getting angry at so called anti racism.

Yes soggy we've had this fallacy come up in these conversations before. It's a class thing not race and these studies are biased because there's no such thing as "black names". Asked and answered and we are a lovely tolerant nation. Here is another one of your racist dragons slain. For example, in his study, the name most-commonly and correctly judged as a black-sounding name was “DaShawn.” This name was also most-commonly given by black mothers with a high school degree or less. Names most-commonly given by black mothers with a college education, such as “Jalen,” were much less likely to be associated as a black-sounding name. So these names do not always convey race in the ways that researchers have previously assumed, Gaddis said. “Only commonly given black names from lower social status origins are a strong signal of a person’s race. We are sending signals of both social class and race when we use names like Lakisha and Jamal.”

Of course the clarifications are going to keep getting repeated whilst the lies about the UK being a racist country and English football being awash with racists keep being repeated. Whilst these falsehoods still exist myself and other normal people like me will keep calling it out for what it is. I'm sorry it bores you but don't blame me.

Suppesedly because there's no one else.

Which bit? That the issue of racism at football has been wildly exaggerated by the media who have been in a moral panic about racists posting abuse to people online? That racists have been promoted to positions of power in the NHS and feel they are entitled to address a group of people based on their skin colour and ask them to feel uncomfortable? That no one has denied on here that racism exists? None of that is bollocks.

The example I am using is the example the media were using when their front pages were festooned with this stuff. They used this racist abuse on social media as evidence that Britain is an incredibly racist and bigoted society when the very opposite is the case. It was a lie and this investigation- from the BBC no less-highlights that.

For my part I was very nervous at the start and was overly cautious if anything. I took a few risks last summer with eat out to help out and some more calculated risks over the Christmas period outside of my job where I had no choice but to be near people. I did however make a promise to myself that once I was fully vaccinated I would be returning to my life as normal. I actually waited a couple of months until my wife had been fully vaccinated too but since then I've ditched my mask and am just living as normal a life as I can because if not now then we never will.

No its about setting the problem we do have in context and not over inflating things and wildly exaggerating in order to force through racist and discriminatory policies (or to put racists in prominent positions like the lady who wrote the NHS blog this week.) It's never ever been about denying that racism exists.

Many people on your side of the argument were making that very point. It's worth pointing out the facts pest it be misinterpreted again.