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He couldn't alienate too many of the hard left whilst they held the levers of power. Now he's in charge he can throw them out and I hope he does so! Lammy and jess Phillips put next and we'll be getting somewhere.

Any guesses what this racist graffiti was like?

I did a quick survey and it was accurate.

In your mind what do you think is more likely, that there's compromise on both sides that, leads to a deal or there's no deal?

To be fair to him he couldn't do much when he wasn't leading the party. I'd prefer to judge him on his actions now he's actually in charge and that's an impressive response. Also the more of the hard left starmer can remove from the Labour the better and the more electable they will become.

Glad we can reach some agreement then! It's laughable.

I agree with that too. However there are members of the police who are starting to get annoyed and are reporting a risen in the amount that people feel they can get away with now after the widely viewed tactics from the last few weeks. Whatever your views on police kneeling, imo its very bad optics to see that level of subservience.

It appears to me and some other police that actions like that have actually made policemen less safe because they've lost any residual respect they may have had and people feel they now have a license to go after the police with less blowback.

Surely there's a sensible balance to be struck between being a recluse and thousands pouring onto the beach. Can you imagine if this does face a resurgence to near similar levels that we had before? Absolutely no one is going to pay any attention to stay at home, it'll be a nightmare.

And you'd be correct.

What could possibly go wrong? Let's meet back in a couple of months when all the people moaning at the government for the travel ban in the first place will be moaning because we have to start all this stuff all over again.

I do wonder at what point we judt give up and let things take their natural course sadly. Maybe if the efforts for a vaccine fail.

No more idiotic than the thousands who have gone on matches recently.

Who were the dolts decrying the possibility of a so called "second wave?" Alarming rise in cases for the first time in months accross Europe...

TBF I didn't say it was, simply that the level of hostility shown by the group was similar and I expect comes from the same sort of place. I take your point though.

Blimey. Boris should be worried, keir doing exactly the right thing.

Not sure I mentioned race? There's different races involved on both sides although clearly its largely divided along racial lines. I look forward to hearing about the harsh sentences dished out, though given the disparity in the media coverage and on social media, it seems unlikely I'd get to hear about it in quite the same way even if it does happen. With regards to Brixton specifically, there's clearly a level of hostility that's been whipped up, partly due to social media, partly due to the current climate but also because of the media and the way they have behaved during all this. No police officer deserves to get chased out of an area or their vehicles smashed up for doing their job.

We started seven years ago with the goal of helping men and then it evolved into what we do now after seeing where we were needed. The main obstacle was gaining the trust of the social workers who are very reluctant to advise people on the to seek help from other people. It's a lot better now and we routinely get referrals but it's only a small operation but it's good to know you're making a tangible difference when people literally say that the charity saved their life. I disagree that there's not an issue with gender. Public sympathy and thus support is massively weighted towards women. It's very rare to see many advocates for the rights of men at all (in fact we were the only group that many had seen and they had been doing it for decades.) and a lot for women by comparison. I have been disheartened when we've tried to build partnerships with female advocacy groups in the best interests of child welfare how hostile and unfriendly most of them have been. I don't know if that's a Hampshire problem or if it's more widespread but it seems to me that some of these groups have a man hating problem and are suspicious of people advocating for a group that they don't like.

Well at least on that point you can see what I meant by unfairness with regards to parental rights.

Fair enough and that's a good post. I think the legal system is stacked against young, uneducated fathers from poor backgrounds especially. I've seen too many cases where mothers hellbent on a squabble with their former partner have been coached by their representative or legal advisor about what to say and do to get their desired outcome. I'm not talking about more clearcut cases of abuse or times when they have clearly shown themselves to be unfit parents. I'm not directly responsible for securing visitation rights myself but indirectly we have secured better relationships for young fathers in Hampshire with their children, which in turn has saved the local authorities millions, created better long term outcomes for children and prevented a number of suicides in the process which is very satisfying. Imo it's undeniable that some fathers are denied contact with their children or treated harshly by the courts because they are either incapable or unwilling to play the system properly to have a fair outcome. Many of these fathers are unable to express themselves proficiently and some have a questionable history due to their own failed upbringing but without question they love their children and it is in the best interests of the children to have their father in their lives in some form. There seems little understanding in the court system for things such as allowance for mental health issues which may cause problems and often it's very black and white. If any parent misses a court date or an appointment because they've had a panic attack or a breakdown of some kind or they have a poor grasp of finances and little assistance outside of charities in the form of someone who can do a proper family shop for them that's very rarely because they've put their own needs or feelings above their children's. Yet in the eyes of the court these instances often count as a black mark against the father in particular. Judges have their own biases of course and although it's a slightly different thing, child protection conferences and family courts can often come down to which social worker makes the most persuasive case for a particular course of action (though I don't particularly blame social workers as they are hugely overworked as it is.) There have definitely been times that without advocates from charitable organisations, fathers would not have secured the access that they ended up getting and many examples exist of men who have fallen through the cracks who have ended up dead as a consequence. How is that a fair system? This is also by the way why it makes me smile when I get accused by the usual empty vessels on here of not having any empathy.

If I understand it correctly, the argument of those more sympathetic to white lives matter is that there is a double standard and what appears to be a two tier system of treatment. So a white working class lad rattles a fence at the football, joins a demonstration or puts up a poster saying its OK to be white or that white lives matter and they are met with riot police, slung in prison, prosecuted for hate speech, lose their jobs and widely condemned as nazis and far right agitators (some would say quite rightly). Then in the black lives matter movement there appears to be a rather insidious element that daubs offensive racist slogans on walls and statues, picks fights with police, smashes up cars, writes that white lives don't matter on social media etc and they are actively protected by their employer, by the mayor of London, the police tactics are wildly different and almost subservient, actions are either downplayed or largely absent in the media and the repercussions appear to be much less severe for this group which as I said appear to be a smaller subset within the larger movement itself. Now I could have that wrong but that seems to be the argument advanced by these people. It does seem to me to be a bit counterproductive therefore to go apoplectic at the phrase "white lives matter" or that it's OK to be white. As someone else has already said, a far more powerful and effective response would be to either agree with the idea that we want equality for everyone regardless of their skin colour or to ignore provocative actions from people who want to try to provoke a reaction because otherwise it just supports this idea of a double standard of treatment in society based on race and ideas.

Wasn't it really obvious that when it came to it both sides would come together and cobble some sort of deal together?

Be fair. Flying a plane over a stadium with white lives matter on it is definitely more deserving of losing your job and public vilification. Who cares about a couple of police cars?

I'm sorry but there's no point engaging you in that subject if that's your stance. Go and do some research about young fathers in particular and how the family court system works and how genuinely loving fathers who have never done anything wrong have been denied any access to their children. Those who are less well educated especially are helpless in the face of the system without proper representation and some mothers who want to weaponise the children against their father. Many have been driven to suicide. I think you'd probably have a different perspective if you've been at court hearings or provided social workers to some of these desperate individuals or had to talk people out of self harm because they haven't been able to see their children in months. I expect you won't listen to this reply though and will just keep going on about a lack of empathy and how the court system is entirely fair.

Interesting.