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I haven't been to a live game for a while. I thought we were pretty poor, albeit in awful conditions. Second half we got a lot worse when I thought we would kick on. I thought djenepo was poor when he came on, seems he's a bit of a disappointing buy to be honest. Stephens looked good on the ball and ings took the goal well, otherwise not that many positives where we barely challenged the keeper. Still we should still have enough to stay up comfortably.

Not a chance will we need three wins to be secure. Not a chance.

Exactly. Believe whatever the hell you want as long as you're not harming other people. No one has the right to judge. When those beliefs lead to violence or abuse however is when I'm going to have a problem with it.

Good attempt Raging Bull but you'd be better off smashing your head against a wall. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

A rare moment of consensus. Refreshing to see.

Seems reasonable to me. Maybe we could do all three- increase funding, make clubs pay for their own policing and look at poor allocation of existing funding. Agreed?

Policing disorder at football is an entirely legitimate use of resources though. Given the history of actual crimes being committed and hooliganism etc, using the police to prevent violent disorder at the football seems like a sensible thing to do. Do you have some actual comparable examples of police resource waste? On top of cuts, there's been a train of thought that I've seen from commentators and the media for a while that some forces have strayed from what the public want which is to be more of a visible presence and to concentrate on crime that the general public care most about. This is one small example of that (and you could argue the rise of community policing is at least partly due to this) and it points to a wider issue so not as trivial as you claim.

It's not hard to understand. Resources are at breaking point and any reallocation of existing resources would be a good thing, even if it's only a relatively small amount. I'm more than happy to look at how the police deal with other crimes more generally as well - and there's a discussion to be had about funding- but this is an example of inefficient use of police resources which is relevant to the discussion. The only reason I've made more than a couple of posts about it is because you and aintforever consider it to be controversial for some reason. Anyway it seems you agree with me that this sort of thing is largely nonsense so it seems we can move on.

Recognising that is racist. Because you didn't mention all the other races and religions that are evil as well. You aren't allowed to discuss things without that caveat.

In what universe is writing a post about a court case an overreaction? I just don't think the police should be wasting their time recording thousands of non-crimes if they are stretched to breaking point. This is particularly true if these non-crimes are showing up on enhanced DBS checks and potentially preventing people from getting a job. That view holds true even if the overall percentage of resources allocated to this sort of thing is small (although there's probably more of it than you think.) I never said it was top of my list but the current allocation of police resources is definitely something that should be in the conversation if we are potentially looking to increase the current resources. It seems you agree it is nonsense so that's good, maybe we have some common ground.

You clearly haven't read the judgement or you haven't understood it. That's not what it is at all. Here's the full story if you actually have an open mind about this stuff- which I doubt. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-51501202

I'm sure you'll be delighted to find out that Harry Miller won his case this morning and what the police have been doing has been ruled unlawful. The recording of the non-crime hate incident has also been ruled unlawful in conjunction with the investigation.. Great news. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-51501202

Suewhistle? Still waiting for all these threads I've made complaining about equality, Muslim sex offenders, minorities, gays and trans etc. You weren't talking absolute cack were you?

Hi Sue nice to hear from you. I'm curious, where are these threads I started complaining about equality, Muslim sex offenders, minorities, gays and trans? I'll wait.

Yes that was my point. That attitude is why Labour got smashed at the election.

You're the one bringing it up in this totally unrelated topic for some reason. I mentioned it in the Labour leadership thread because it was the main news item about the Labour leadership yesterday. Not exactly shoehorning talking about Labour leadership candidates in a thread about the Labour leadership. Maybe just stick to replying to comments in the actual thread they are made rather than irrelevant comments dragged in about other topics?

I don't recall any rage from myself about silly things like that. I did get a bit upset about the mass rape of underage girls though but that's something most sane people would feel emotion over. Maybe ask yourself why you don't appear to care so much about it.

The level of vitriol being flung at someone for merely being associated with a high profile Conservative and terms like "NeoTories" tends to mark someone out as being from the left if not a Corbynite. In my experience, moderates tend to sound slightly more reasonable.

Given they've been phoning these people as well as interviewing them under caution in some cases, I imagine it takes up a fair amount of time. That's without even mentioning the hit to police credibility with the public for pursuing this nonsense. Besides, any amount of time wasted on non crime is time that could be spent on actual crimes. 2 extra crimes investigated per police force per day would be a good start.

Any quoting of religious texts is odd. My only issue is when people actually start following them and harming people in the process otherwise they can do what they like.

Nice to see the tolerant and loving left wading into the discussion. A different kind of politics from them.

Source?

Source?

That's not what I said was it. At a time when resources are "stretched to breaking point", is investigating non crime hate incidents like supposedly transphobic limericks on twitter a wise use of police resources? Instead of recording 87,000 non crimes over the past five years, might it have been better to try and get some of those thefts investigated? I wonder if they had concentrated on that instead how many more could have been looked into. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/01/05/police-forces-record-thousands-hate-incidents-year-even-though/

It's really weird that you think anyobe has been trying to defend anything in the Bible.