hypochondriac

Are you suggesting that on average Muslims do not have more regressive views with regards to homosexuality than the rest of the UK population? Because even many Muslims would disagree with you there if that is what you are saying and there are studies that show this rather than your anecdotal evidence of all the evil white male homophobes. Did you see the gay Muslim bloke last month who supposedly married his partner? Immediately received a tide of death threats.

I assume we won't be getting a world cup sing in the same vein as the Shakira one from South Africa. Very nice that was.

Even if that poll looks dodgy - and that does appear to be the case- everyone knows that a worryingly high percentage or Muslims have extremely regressive attitudes, particularly regarding homosexuals and so called "apostates". More liberal Muslims - ones who should be supported more- have recognised that these attitudes are a problem and have publicly denounced these views which are undoubtedly a barrier between Muslims with these views and the general public. The point is not the specific numbers from a dodgy poll, it's that these sort of views are held proportionally much higher in the Muslim population and its a problem that needs sorting.

Despite my post literally saying the opposite to that. You only read what you want to see rather than the content of the post and I suspect you are beyond hope. What specific suggestion in my post did you take issue with? For the benefit of others though if soggy come out with "what else can Muslims do?" again, let's remember it already been answered on numerous occasions and so far he has ignored the responses.

No one has a problem with all diversity, but blithely uttering something as glib as diversity is our strength as if something which is diverse is automatically better is idiotic. Diversity CAN be a strength but clearly not in every case abd the potential negative consequences of too much diversity should be acknowledged so that we can have an honest conversation about where the west and Europe in particular is heading. If you don't reply to my previous post by the way I trust you won't be using the "what else can Muslims do?" line again because that's about the tenth time you brought it up in this thread alone and it's been refuted every time.

"diversity is our strength."

Agreeing that the teachings in the religion and people reading the teachings literally is a problem would be a good thing for non radical Muslims to do (many already do this like Maajid on lbc but many more ring in to challenge him which shows it is still a big problem.) publicly backing measures to install more liberal imams and encouraging liberal mosques where men, women and gays are allowed would be another positive step (this sort of thing is happening in Germany for example: https://www.politico.eu/article/berlin-feminist-mosque-ibn-rushd-goethe-germany-first-liberal-mosque-sparks-debate-in-berlin/amp/) If I were a practising Muslim, I'd be outraged that extremists are blackening the name of my religion like Maajid and others are and I'd be backing more surveillance in mosques, greater self policing and encouraging greater reporting of imams who encourage this stuff (of which there are a significant number- some of whom have been a problem for a number of years.) The problem is that whilst there are many Muslims who should be commended for their efforts to combat this, it is clear that there are many who whilst they do not actively support regressive views and terrorist attitudes, they quietly agree with many of the ideas behind the attacks and regressive attitudes towards gay people, Jewish people, converts etc. Look how many Muslims who will refuse to answer the question that "in an ideal world if the sharia conditions are met, is stoning for adultery permissable?" many living in britain believe that to be the case. Islam needs as many loud reforming voices as possible and the more we hear publicly from the likes of the Quillium foundation putting pressure on the government and fellow Muslims to speak out, acknowledge the problem and fight to eradicate it then the better. The more this happens, the better relations will be between Muslims and non Muslims.

Does your wife know you use such offensive language on here?

Other than pompey, it's pretty much the only thing that unites people of all political persuasions on here.

It's not a persona...

Doubt either will be seeded so sadly won't happen.

There's a big difference though between having some issues with mental health and being mentally ill. If you accept that those who commit terrorist acts have an odd way of looking at things you can't then suggest that every one of them are insane or mentally ill. That abdicates responsibility from the likes of breivik who believed some mental things but clearly was not "mental." He knew exactly what he was dong and why he was doing it and he was prepared to sacrifice his freedom and potentially his life for that cause.

That's a bit of an exaggeration considering he's played pretty much one game...

You realise that being "brain washed" and being mentally ill can be mutually exclusive? Not everyone who has been taken in by the rubbish spouted by extremist Islam is mentally ill. There is a chance that they are and I don't have any figures to hand but I would suggest that those who commit terrorism do not do it primarily because they are mentally ill.

Agreed

Of course but on the surface this appears to be different than the usual sort of racist or Islamic extremist attack. Currently his motivation is unknown but it doesn't seem to be a terrorist attack and in my opinion mental illness seems the most likely cause at the moment. It's natural that people would assume that a similar attack from someone of middle Eastern appearance - possibly with an Allahu Akhbar thrown in for good measure- would be religiously motivated given the sheer number we have seen in recent times. The colour of his skin is largely irrelevant but his motivations if they are ever discovered will tell us a lot. After all, anders breivik was undoubtedly a terrorist and he is white.

My wife says weary when she means wary which is an annoyance.

Source?

Holbury what device are you using kodi on?

It'd not just about that though. Certainly felt much more of a connection with the players now they are mostly mercenaries who leave after a couple of years and have zero affinity with the club

How are you using kodi?

Said this to a mate today. Rickie retiring and seeing his goals again brought back how great football was. I think only a handful of games have been as entertaining as the league one and championship games, certainly the last two years.

They reckon he could be cheaper in January? Erm not a chance.

Watched that earlier. Some absolute howlers from a few keepers there, an awful lot of classy finishes and powerful headers. Number 19 is my favourite

Great post and good to hear from you.