hypochondriac

35 would probably get him.

Not on your life my hindu friend.

Oh and by the way Tim thanks for the reasonable reply, it makes a change rather than the mindless shouts of racist or made up words like islamaphobic. I would genuinely like to hear refutations in a calm manner from reformers like Nawaz to some of the points raised. The problem is that the vast majority of Muslims in the media come across as incredibly defensive or even aggressive when Islam and its teachings are questioned in any way which says a lot itself. I'm open to considering an argument supporting Islam as a religion of peace but the teachings contained in the qaran and most troublingly the "most perfect example" set by Muhammed is directly contradictory to this claim.

Well Yes that is true but it rather puts it into perspective when you see stats like since September 11th there have been 5 deadly terror attacks inspired by Islam every single day, a total of more than 27,000 attacks in a decade and a half. Kings college London monitored jihadist attacks for November 2014 and the report lists 664 attacks in 14 countries with a total of 5,042 deaths in just that month alone. So whilst it is clear that all religions inspire atrocities, it is undeniable that the problem stemming from Islamic extremism is much greater than any other religion in the 21st century.

"so it is all well and good to point to institutions like the Spanish inquisition as past examples of how other traditions besides Islam engaged in religiously inspired violence, but catholic authorities burning people at the stake is clearly not quite the problem that we are facing at the moment is it? So yes let's have a debate about history, but let us also recognise that, in our own century, the overwhelming majority of those who commit acts of violence with scriptural quotations on their lips belong to the Muslim faith." I don't believe Islam has been hijacked in order to manipulate people as you claim. Indeed, the scripture is very clear with explicit commands of violence towards the unbeliever and death to apostates. The concept of abrogation is troubling here too where greater theological weight is placed on passages that occur later in the qaran and unfortunately that means all the violent verses. Literal interpretations of the qaran are the only accepted forms in the middle east and the few reformers who call for a reinterpretation are often persecuted. "Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity and Judaism all experienced a variety of reform movements that moved many of the adherents of these religions (I'm many cases a majority) away from literal understandings of their faith. Islam has never experienced such a movement, at least not a widespread and successful one. Literalism therefore reigns supreme in the vast majority of mosques abd Muslim institutions of higher learning. In fact, anyone who would like to propose innovative interpretations to soften the hard edges of Islam's teaching on unbelievers is quite likely to be met with the serious charge of committing the ultimate theological sin, namely bidah (or introducing innovation.)" It seems clear to me that without a form of reformation- which is virtually impossible as it currently stands- we will continue to have to deal with a significant number of Islamist across the world with highly regressive views.

Not sure I understand your point here, no one is defending the Bible and some of the things written in it. Not sure what relevance it has when discussing Islam and some of its doctrine.

Yes I read a lot. I didn't consider this book to be particularly biased, in fact I am surprised about how impartial it is. Out of interest, what but of my quote did you believe to be unreasonable.

I'm about halfway through a really interesting book called "nothing to do with islam" - a very fair study into the qaran, how it is studied and interpreted by Muslims and why calling Islam a religion of peace is absurd. It is a really eye opening read for those who are not that well versed on the Islamic faith. This but in particular interested me: "some readers may respond to the proof of Islam's deep revulsion towards unbelievers as highlighted in this chapter by stating that they have Muslim friends who treat them with respect and courtesy. This may indeed be the case, but the reason behind the friendship of these Muslim people is probably the fact that they choose to act on natural human instincts and ignore this aspect of Islamic teaching. However, the attitudes and actions of individual Muslims do not, for one moment, take away the existence of the verses listed above. They are there in the heart of the Qaran, ready to be discovered by any Muslim who may ask whether the way he or she thinks about non-Muslims and interacts with them is pleasing to Allah."

Nah. He was alright and as I said a nice bloke. He wasn't great though and he will be a squad player to assist Everton in Europe.

Really? I thought he was a nice bloke with a good attitude who was a very limited footballer.

Not many were predicting that after seeing the Tory manifesto and after the campaign produced one car crash after another.

The one where the most boneheaded and inept Conservative manifesto and election campaign in a generation still managed to defeat corbyn.

No like we did with Lovren and Toby.

But Gallagher has just signed a new contract as well. If we are keeping him in the squad then I can't see us keeping Austin, Gabbi, Vietto, Long and Gallagher happy. I reckon Long will leave.

Not at all, the league they come from is fairly irrelevant. Wanyama was obvious quality and had been MOTM in the champions league against Barcelona. Mane too had rave reviews with many commentators and fans commenting on what a talent he was. It's not "hilarious" to suggest that both had a fair bit more going for them than simply potential. All signings are a gamble to an extent but some clearly represent less of one than others.

Seems OK. I'd quite like some real quality this window as well though like Wanyama, Mane etc rather than just potential or a bit of a gamble.

The Reed interview normally occurs after a few sales and before we have replaced anyone. So maybe the next few weeks.

Slightly bizarre thing to say in my opinion. English football as an export has had an amazing influence all over the world and SAF is the most successful manager ever. Of course he has had an exceptional impact whatever you think of Manchester United. It's the same with famous entertainers who can have enormous impacts and are just as deserving of knighthoods as others who have had notable impacts in other professions.

It's a common modern day phenomena and is why I tend to avoid threads like this in general. I totally understand if this sort of story affects people but personally I only really get affected if it's someone I know and even then I tend to discuss it with people privately rather than plaster it all over social media. Anyway, as someone else said if this is the sort of thing people want to do and his family is happy with it and it brings them some comfort then I don't suppose it's necessarily doing any harm.

I hope sims gets more of a chance this year- he looked superb at times last season.

Where's the alternative to the quilium foundation that's fighting Islamic extremism from within the Islamic community? As Nawaz and Murray point out, the only counter extremism strategy the government has is the prevent strategy which undoubtedly hasquite a hit wrong with it. Instead of seeking to reform it or to suggest an alternative, most Muslim leaders want to see it scrapped and Andy Burnham ran his campaign based on that. That's half the problem and until someone comes up with a better alternative for tackling extremism then I fail to see how nawaz has been undermined in any way.

I'm really not bothered about links in the media. We've often got players in layer during the window and normally one or two decent buys. Our recruitment was poor last summer but I don't think we will repeat that again.

But we could just as easily buy a player who is better than what we have, develop them and then sell them for a massive profit. It's worked for us so far, why bother to change it now?

Would it? Not sure u like the idea of improving a player for a bigger club with no return.

Thanks for that. I have heard a few interviews but I'm sure this will be just as good. I have read most of the book and it's definitely worth having a read whatever your political persuasion.