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Does anyone have a link to flawless? The one I had is asking me for credits now which I don't want.

If true then sums up the mediocrity that has seeped into the club. Very uninspired and just meh all round.

I'd take 13th or higher and comfortably clear of relegation. We need a season of rebuilding.

Happy to call him Mr Robinson if it makes you feel happier.

Looks like ace hosting were subject to UK law which is why they were in such a precarious position. I doubt other companies would be so stupid.

Well as I haven't actually defended anything racist or violent that Tommy has said or done, I'm happy to stand behind my previous statements. I don't think he should be tweeting racist jokes or suggesting we deport all Muslim men so yes those statements should be condemned.

And whilst the qaran doesn't refer to grooming gangs explicitly, it does say you can pretty much treat the unbeliever (kafir) however you want. One of the many shocking details of these cases is how unrepentant the men are. In their minds these women are essentially sub human and not worthy of any sort of consideration purely because of their nationality and because they are not Muslim. It's disgusting.

No one said it was exclusive to Islam. Its quite irritating that you can't discuss the very real problem of Islamic extremism without going in depth into the problems of other religions though. I absolutely accept that other religions have their own issues but can you not accept the problem of Islamic extremism- a problem recognised by other Muslims as posing a much more significant threat to the west and globally than other religions currently? How many Mormon or sikh terror attacks have been carried out in the name of their respective religions in the past year? And so much of this can be easily justified with the scripture. All religions can be used as justification for regressive or terrorist acts but clearly there is only one at the moment where so many followers of that religion want to make homosexuality illegal, would prefer to follow shariah law rather than the law of the country they reside in, subjugate women and commit terrorist atrocities on such a grand scale. Only one religion has responded to calls for reformation in the modern day from those within the religion by calling for death and abusing those who call for it. Serious question, do you see no distinction between Islamic fundamentalism in 2018 and the terror attacks carried out by these groups and fundamentalists from other religions? And in case there is any doubt, of course anyone calling for mass extermination of Muslims is totally wrong. Many organisations attract racist elements including I assume the majority of Britain First- though I don't really know much about them. Anyone discriminating or insulting someone based purely on the colour of their skin or the religion they practice is completely wrong and should be challenged on those views (I would have thought this was obvious stuff though but seemingly it needs saying.) if you have some examples of Tommy Robinson insulting or assaulting someone purely because they are a Muslim then of course that should be condemned too. I haven't seen him do that but then I haven't watched everything he's done, just a few interviews and talks so maybe he has done that.

Portraying all brown people as evil? Blatantly absurd. Suggesting that all of Islam or all those who practice it are evil or bigoted? Also absurd. Suggesting that any of the actions of these men are not anything to do with Islam in any way whatsoever? Also absurd in my opinion and the opinion of other Muslims. The problem that is difficult for some to acknowledge is that treating kafir differently or negatively is a legitimate reading of the scripture. Who decides that it's not real Islam when it literally says it in the qaran and certain regressive views and actions can be justified by the scriptures. It's certainly a minority who feel justified in treating non Muslim women like trash, but is it a minority in the Middle East who subscribe to Shariah that treats women like second class citizens? Or who treats homosexuals like animals? It's the exact same for fundamentalist readings of other faiths by the way, the difference is that most other faiths have reformed and become more tolerant. Its why I support those who call for an Islamic reformation but look at the death threats and abuse that these brave Muslims get from other Muslims for speaking out.

Even other Muslims have conceded that these Pakistani Muslim rapists are using their interpretation of Islam- an interpretation supported by a huge number- for their actions. Presumably you know more about Islam than a Muslim or the survivors of these horrendous ordeals? Of course you do. "They made it clear that because I was a non-Muslim, and not a virgin, and because I didn’t dress “modestly”, that they believed I deserved to be “punished”. They said I had to “obey” or be beaten." "White girls and non-Muslim girls are bad because you dress like slags. You show the curves of your bodies (showing the gap between your thighs means you’re asking for it) and therefore you’re immoral. White girls sleep with hundreds of men. You are the*other*girls. You are worthless and you deserve to be gang-raped.” But yes absolutely nothing to do with Islam at all.

This happens every single summer. He will most likely be banned before the season starts and it won't be an issue.

Firstly neither of those things have anything to do with you calling me a racist. I'm not and it doesn't matter how much you wish it were true. Do you consider every individual who has expressed any sort of understanding or support for anything that Tommy Robinson has said or done to be a racist? As I said before - and you ignored it- will you be condemning the racists bigots on good morning Britain or the Oxford Union, both of who believed he had at least some ideas that were worthy of discussion? In your black and white world, any belief that any of Tommy Robinson's feelings of frustration may have an iota of credibility means that you are an evil racist nazi sympathiser. Thankfully I don't live in such a bigoted reality and am able to look at someone's words and dismiss points I disagree with and acknowledge where there are points of agreement. I'm perfectly comfortable to say that I've listened to some of what Tommy Robinson has said and I've found a few areas of common ground where I believe he has some valid points that should be aired and debated in public. I don't necessarily believe he is the man to do that since he is quite a divisive figure. In your blinkered world view that makes me a bigot and a nazi but I'm happy for you to believe that since the truth is that I'd prefer to listen to people from the far left and the far right and make my own mind up rather than putting my fingers in my ears and screaming nazi like you do. In summary: do I think Tommy Robinson has a violent criminal past and has he committed acts which should be condemned? Yes. Does this mean I condemn his every act and utterance and dismiss out of hand everything he ever says or ever will say as well as labelling him a nazi? No. Is he likely to do things in the future which are either illegal or which are worthy of criticism? Yes. Does that mean any points he has ever raised should be dismissed without any sort of airing simply because of who he is? No. Does my refusal to dismiss everything he has ever said or done make me a nazi or a "nazi sympathiser?" only to close minded simpletons like soggy.

I turned to my friend and said "who is that black midfielder? He is so dominant" benthelegend

Me too. If they have packed it in then I've definitely had my moneys worth.

It is but you certainly shouldn't be pilloried because you've formed your opinion quicker than others. We had people swearing that Gaston hadn't had a proper run for example right the way up until he was sold. Of course Carillo could show huge improvements - any player could- but its perfectly reasonable to have the opinion that that doesn't look likely at the moment.

What a bizarre response. Its so black and white for the usual people on here. How about hoping he comes good whilst realising it would take a huge change for that to happen? It's not "writing him off" as you incorrectly claim, it's being realistic and commenting on performances thus far and during most of his career.

I expect everyone would be happy for him to suddenly look great but at what point is it acceptable to comment on the evidence in front of you and question the wisdom of a signing? Half a season is plenty of time to give an indication and personally I've seen absolutely nothing to suggest hen is anywhere near good enough for us. Pelle had his moments but I didn't take anyone seriously who didn't think he was a decent Premier league player virtually from the start. Same with mane. I haven't seen anything from this bloke that would suggest that.

"clearly" in your head I do. As I said though feel free to think what you like. You're entirely wrong but if you want to keep banging your head against the racist tree then go ahead.

Not started well? That's an understatement! There's a chance he won't play for us again.

I don't care because it's a pointless thing to argue about, but I don't think Ali ever legally changed his name.

Have you seen the videos where Lauren Southern legally changed her sex to male and then got into an argument with an activist and called her out for misgendering. The look on her face is priceless as she is completely unsure what to do.

You can lump me in with whoever you like soggy and I'll continue to refute your lies and laugh at your fallacious arguments. The fact you think a frog picture outs me as an alt right supporter says more about you and your idiocy and close mindedness and is the reason I chose it in the first place. I'm perfectly happy for you to believe I'm an alt right loving, nazi sympathiser because your opinion of me is of zero consequence. You're a buffoon and how sad it must be to be someone like yourself who is incapable of understanding that people can have opinions that differ from your own without being a horrible racist or any number of other 'isms.' You must live in a very cossetted world. I also notice you didn't answer anything I had said but that's par for the course for you.

Do you have to mention my name in every post soggy? I know you're desperate to bracket me as an evil racist but it's pretty tiresome. Everyone can see what you're attempting- and failing- to do. Look at all those evil racists over at the Oxford Union who didn't agree with a lot of what Tommy Robinson said but felt he had something worth contributing. By your logic that makes them evil nazi supporters. Or does giving him a platform to speak and heard his ideas not count as "support"?

Everyone knows what has happened to society in London. Giant swathes of disaffected youths, many from ethnic minorities or countries outside of the UK who are poor, with little respect for the law and no common identity with other UK citizens are killing each other and sometimes other innocent people. Immigration has undoubtedly been a contributing factor but its obviously not that simple and you can blame social factors and lack of purpose and an education too along with soft policing and a met police force who would rather quibble over nonsense definitions like islamaphobia and prosecuting evil twitter trolls than actually doing their job and getting a grip on serious crimes- cuts in police funding haven't helped in that department either. So you have a huge influx of people from outside of the UK, combined with some of the native population from the bottom of the social rung with not much money, not much to do, spare time on their hands and a smaller and less well funded police force with skewed priorities too scared to crack down on law and disorder. Combine that with the drugs and gang culture and crime escalating to the degree it has is hardly a surprise. Its too late to do much about the levels of immigration unfortunately- that ship has sailed- but some immediate things you can do which the police would wholeheartedly support is to beef up the Met- both the mayor and the government are at fault here- defund pointless online troll initiatives and divert all the manpower and resources from that into policing on the street. Bring back stop and search- I think they have done this now- and make sure that these characters know that anything like this lawless behaviour will not be tolerated. In tandem with any police initiatives you need to look at the other causes of crime. Have properly funded youth initiatives that give these people a purpose and goals in life to steer them away from knives and violence. You're not going to stop everyone in this way but at least it gives some people a chance. Probably the best thing to do would be to get the people of these communities involved since they know the perpetrators and victims the best. I'm genuinely at a loss for words to try to explain why someone would stab a baby though- that's a whole other level of depravity.

I agree. It appears he did the crime and should face the consequences for that.