hypochondriac

Hold on so the criteria now is if you have experienced some forms of abuse in your lifetime? Not what was suggested earlier at all.

Who is being complacent. It's quite simple what our issue is here. All anyone is questioning was your earlier portrayal of Britain as some sort of homophobic hotbed with homophobic incidents around every corner and a homosexual subject to daily incidents of homophobia. Just because you have now decided to change the goalposts doesn't change that basic fact. It seems we have reached a consensus though. We both agree that any intolerance is bad but also that whilst the levels of abuse are still unacceptable, they aren't at the level previously described. Glad we agree.

But nothing like what was portrayed earlier in the thread. End of.

Couldn't agree more. We have gone from daily occurrences of homophobia to 1 in 8 experiencing a hate crime once a year (and even that has been questioned based on some dodgy stats). Quite a massive shift there. Realistically homophobia will always exist in some form as there will always be some idiots but I think we have established that it is falling and that the situation has improved markedly from even a decade ago. Daily abuse for a gay man is no longer the typical experience and thank goodness for that. Chapel end Charlie, what percentage of the UK population do you feel engage in homophobic behaviour? Ballpark figure?

Well you've used your own experiences and perceptions during your entire argument. It is only a few posts ago that we found out about the racist Policeman from forty years ago. If it is a one in eight chance of being subject to a hate crime yearly (and what others have posted at the very least throws doubt on your figures) then whilst that is not a good situation, it shows that the problem is much smaller than the one described on here. Particularly when you consider that the figures for racist incidents are much worse and when the definition for that hate crime would be extremely broad. Some categorised by pressure groups as hate crimes would no doubt be open to interpretation at best. There are homophobics in society and there are homophobic incidents which should always be condemned, but I would argue that it has got a lot better in recent years and continues to improve. What may have been a daily incident with dodgy coppers in the seventies is now no longer a daily occurrence according to the statistics and anecdotes from people on here including homosexuals. Long may that continue and I am very confident that as the older generation is replaced, Britain will become an even more tolerant society. I certainly hope so.

I use Tapatalk from my phone and it frequently shows me as online when I am not. Apology accepted.

Yet you didn't think the same applied when I took a mere hour to respond to you?

Which is a bit rich considering he was berating me for taking an hour to post him a reply.

When does the Liverpool game go on sale to members?

I'm not holding my breath TBH.

Is it any wonder that people question the validity of figures about discrimination when you have people like this who look for examples of racism where there is none?

Interview is here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p037574z

I have a friend called Chris and he's never encountered these types of chrisophobia that you describe. Your stats from studies don't prove anything. The vast majority of people called Chris live their lives in peace.

We're both sacked yesterday. It's a shame when any managers lose their jobs (they are human beings after all) but how does everyone feel about what anti-racism campaigner Troy Townsend (father of Andros) had to say on the matter: "People will look and think 'Is it worth it? Is it because of the colour of their skin? Or is it because they are bad managers?" "I know people will say results are not right but there is a lot more to it than that. "Today is disheartening without a doubt." So do you indeed think there is a lot more to it than that or do you agree with Frank sinclair that there are opportunities for black managers and to blame their sackings on racism is ludicrous?

I bought this for about 20 quid on ps4 and enjoying it so far. It did make me chuckle how much tomb raider ripped it off though.

Hardly sounds like the vast majority of gay people are subject to daily examples of homophobia which was the contention in the first place.

Some interesting quote when Hitzlsperger announced he was gay from a human rights campaigner:

Why am I to believe that homosexual people that other posters and myself have spoken to are either lying or that their experiences are atypical?

This article largely tallies with my viewpoint: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/27/english-football-openly-gay-players some very good points raised in it:

At no point has anyone denied homophobia exists. At no point. Using your example of young Matthew and then expanding that to say it's a typical experience of a gay person in Britain is just as valid as other posters who say they know and have spoken to homosexuals who have not been through what sounds like a horrible ordeal. I'll certainly be placing more trust in the homosexual people i know and their experiences than some bloke you've found on a TV programme that supports your view of the world.

Can't say I've seen that but it wouldn't surprise me. If he is really discussing this thread on a different forum then how tragic.

It's called idiocy. It's OK I don't think it's contagious.

Don't flatter yourself. I didn't follow you, I post on a load of threads. Seeing how you were posting about IS I didn't want to miss the opportunity to remind you of your odd opinions on the matter.its relevant to the discussion if you are the one discussing it. Not sure why that has a relevance to this topic? Also at calling what I said on the other thread abuse. You really are a delicate little flower.

I left it alone but just wanted to post to highlight soggys lack of self control.

Hold on, I thought you told us all how you were going to stfu on this thread?