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What do you mean? As an aside to a friend? Or screamed at the top of their lungs from the stands? Because if you mean the latter, how often does that happen nowadays in English football? The skates got done for racism like that a few weeks back and it made the news because it is so rare. There would be no greater instances of homophobic against a gay man than there are instances of racism against a black man. In this country it's very rare now.

But that's why intent is important. Clearly the average football fan isn't intending to shout homophobic abuse at Brighton fans. It's why if someone did come out there would be a load of standing ovations and then everyone would just get on with their lives. Because the vast majority of football fans are not homophobic just like the vast majority are not racist just like the rest of society. Certainly in this country anyway.

You could use talent or no talent if you prefer.

I'm not saying that the average football fan is blessed with much intelligence tbf.

It's ribbing someone for where they live isn't it?

I always thought the chants towards Brighton are playing on the stereotype about them being a town full of gay people rather than mocking someone for being gay.

I know a lot of people who go to church and never seen homophobes except for one older lady. She was challenged about it as well.

I would prefer people to think I am fantastic at art even though I'm hopeless. There is nothing wrong with people thinking I am bad at art, I would just prefer that they didn't think that of me.

Or they are playing on the insecurities of the Brighton fans by suggesting that they would see a problem with being gay? It's a sh*t chant though.

I'm not sure what circles you mix in but I rarely if ever see big public displays of homophobia. As with all these things though, if you are desperate to be offended and go looking for this stuff then you tend to find it. Rather like the "does your boyfriend" chant, whilst being unoriginal and boring is clearly not homophobic- context is always key with this stuff.

We are making the same point are we not? We both agree that the optimal response is to act like it is normal and that nothing will happen but we both know that will not be the case. It isn't the act of being gay that is sickening, rather the fawning from celebs and the media about what is really nothing to get worked up about. I'd love it if a footballer just went out and kissed their boyfriend in a nightclub and then refused to discuss it further. Much more of a statement than having a coming out ceremony IMO.

There will be a load of pomp and a big public display with talking faces queuing up to say how brave it is and how wonderful. It will be sickening.

Surely it would be better if there was a collective shrug of shoulders and we got on with supporting the team including that player rather than making a huge show of "accepting them openly?" Personally I couldn't think of much worse than a collective show of faux acceptance when just treating them like everyone else would be much more of a compliment IMO. Edit: I just saw this post was by Turkish

I'm not sure why anyone cares. If someone wants to tell people they are gay then good for them. Please don't make a big load of fuss about it though or try to capitalise out of the "fame".

Good to see I'm on there. The crying comment was on another thread.

Well it isn't Clyne.

Then you're an ignoramus.

How do I know you drink there? As much as you wish it were true, I don't follow you around. Just seems like a bit of a convoluted way to have a dig tbh.

Posters on here aren't in charge of the football club...

What has this got to do with anything?

Coming to what?

Rockstone burgers.

Thanks for confirming it.

OK mate. I think it is you that is overestimating the ability of some on here to go overboard. Unless it was you doing the crying and you want to pretend it never happened?

Yep. Some said they actually cried. Remember it well.