hypochondriac

Probably more.

It was perfect this week (and I have had slowdowns before.) have you tried it via ethernet to see if the problem still occurs?

I'm definitely going to leave early at the Stoke game solely because I know it annoys Tim.

I'd left my seat in the Norwich jpt game and had to rush back up once we scored at the end to take it to penalties.

It's not just the five minutes, it's the five minutes to shuffle down the stairs of the stadium if you are sat at the back and then actually getting home etc, traffic being awful if you have driven. It's not really for me or you to comment on what someone else finds annoying. If someone has paid a few quid for a ticket and wants to leave a bit early because they find waiting in a near stationary crowd of farting people for 10-20 minutes irritating then it's entirely their choice.

That would certainly have an effect in my opinion. Taking an age to get over that bridge is a pain in the jacksie.

It's physically impossible to exit your row without momentarily disturbing the person next to you.

Agree with you there, but that's a separate issue that should be dealt with by stewards.

What are you carping on about? I don't know what insult you are referring to but no one has a copyright on them so I'll use what I like thanks. If you are that bothered about missing milliseconds of the game then maybe you should be the one not going if it winds you up so much. Everyone else will get on with letting other people past and enjoying the game as well as the spectacle of angry men like yourself fuming at others. It's terribly amusing.

Or go, leave early and disregard the opinions of bellends who like to poke into other people's business. Simple.

Well that's more about how they exit rather than the fact they are leaving. Personally I couldn't give a toss what other fans want to do. If they want to leave then they've paid their money so can do what they like.

I will never understand why people get angry about other people leaving. I normally stay till the end but on the odd occasion when I do leave early it's entirely my choice. If they name the stadium easier to exit then everyone would stay.

I thought yoshida played well.

Eh? Where does the type of abuse feature in the study.

High risk you may say but nothing like far more than once a week which was what was claimed.

So chapel end Charlie you said this earlier in the thread: "I personally encounter some degree of homophobic comment or attitude at least once a week on average I guess. I dare say that those who are unfortunate enough to be the targets of this form of prejudice probably experience this far more often than I do. Again the UK Crime Survey shows that this is provable statistically and if that doesn't appal you then it probably should." So do the stats prove that homosexuals experience homophobia "far more than once a week" like you said or is it one in eight once a year that you are claiming now?

Hold on so the criteria now is if you have experienced some forms of abuse in your lifetime? Not what was suggested earlier at all.

Who is being complacent. It's quite simple what our issue is here. All anyone is questioning was your earlier portrayal of Britain as some sort of homophobic hotbed with homophobic incidents around every corner and a homosexual subject to daily incidents of homophobia. Just because you have now decided to change the goalposts doesn't change that basic fact. It seems we have reached a consensus though. We both agree that any intolerance is bad but also that whilst the levels of abuse are still unacceptable, they aren't at the level previously described. Glad we agree.

But nothing like what was portrayed earlier in the thread. End of.

Couldn't agree more. We have gone from daily occurrences of homophobia to 1 in 8 experiencing a hate crime once a year (and even that has been questioned based on some dodgy stats). Quite a massive shift there. Realistically homophobia will always exist in some form as there will always be some idiots but I think we have established that it is falling and that the situation has improved markedly from even a decade ago. Daily abuse for a gay man is no longer the typical experience and thank goodness for that. Chapel end Charlie, what percentage of the UK population do you feel engage in homophobic behaviour? Ballpark figure?

Well you've used your own experiences and perceptions during your entire argument. It is only a few posts ago that we found out about the racist Policeman from forty years ago. If it is a one in eight chance of being subject to a hate crime yearly (and what others have posted at the very least throws doubt on your figures) then whilst that is not a good situation, it shows that the problem is much smaller than the one described on here. Particularly when you consider that the figures for racist incidents are much worse and when the definition for that hate crime would be extremely broad. Some categorised by pressure groups as hate crimes would no doubt be open to interpretation at best. There are homophobics in society and there are homophobic incidents which should always be condemned, but I would argue that it has got a lot better in recent years and continues to improve. What may have been a daily incident with dodgy coppers in the seventies is now no longer a daily occurrence according to the statistics and anecdotes from people on here including homosexuals. Long may that continue and I am very confident that as the older generation is replaced, Britain will become an even more tolerant society. I certainly hope so.

I use Tapatalk from my phone and it frequently shows me as online when I am not. Apology accepted.

Yet you didn't think the same applied when I took a mere hour to respond to you?

Which is a bit rich considering he was berating me for taking an hour to post him a reply.

When does the Liverpool game go on sale to members?