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We have to get this right and build a solid base. If the income with the reduced outgoings and crowds for a successful team comes in, we will be one of the best placed clubs in the football league, but we have to get it right.

You might get some politically correct non violent critcism. I think you will ring a bell with a lot of people. Bringing back compulsory national service and the cane in schools plus the birch for violent offences would be a start. After a referendum of course. Governments should have to have a constitution to govern which needs a referendum to change.

The worrying thing about all this, is who makes the most money out of selling the business. Mark Fry could be getting ready to call time on the Pinnacle bid and start a new round of bidding. We know about the MJ bid, the Swiss interest, and now two new bidders. Isn't this where we came in, after all without Fry's agreement nothing happens. The best deal for the creditors may be getting in the way of completing this deal yet again. Another exclusivity deal will pay next months wages, the club stays in limbo and risks further sanctions. All parties need to sort this out PDQ.

Give them what they want. Sign up to whatever the league want. Take the deduction. Then take them to the high court and challenge their right to interpret their rules rather than abide by specific rules. Forget about arbitration, appeals etc. let the law decide. This needs doing and at some point somebody will bring the house of cards down.

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Spot on, 1997, long before the insolvency rules came in. Just coincidental.

I had the impression that the Swiss who game in late were about to act. It wouldn't be surprising if Leon desperately wanted to be involved and this was his way of buying in. I had heard this some time ago but no verification. It may be a loan. If the Swiss had gained exclusivity, it would have been unlikely if he had been involved.

The nub of the whole thing Steve, as far as I am concerned is their interpretation of 'inextricably linked'. I don't think it holds up in law. I'm pretty sure the lawyers don't either. I'm not talking about arbitration. Anything that allows the authorities to make a decision should be ignored and go straight for the throat. I'm talking about taking out an injunction to prevent the league acting pending a high court case challenging their rules and their interpretation. If they won the case it would open the door to sue those personally responsible for the interpretation. If the thought of that didn't concentrate the minds nothing would. Somebody is going to challenge the league in law at some point. To do this though, they would have to own the club.

This could be more than coincidence. The only good thing is publicity is a two edged sword, send the league the link to the Bournemouth interview. Your deadline for WW's attack is getting close. Are you likely to get a deal?

Number one now has to be Pinnacle to close the deal. I just can't see the points deduction being a big deal in the end. Quite rightly they are trying to start next season without any penalty because there is no league rule that penalises a club if it's owners go into administration. In the event that Pinnacle tell the league and the administrator to forget it, then provided there is evidence that the Swiss company is as substantial as I've been told, then they would be the obvious choice. I have completely gone off the MJ bid since the source of the alleged backing was changed recently to a middle east based source. Notwithstanding everything else Pinnacle could sign the licence not appeal then go to court and sue the league.

I have called his bid, flaky ; a mirage; not credible. You obviously don't take in the posts on here as my name is posted regularly on here and is often used by people answering posts who know me. Quite a few of us on here know the real names of many of the posters on here because we often communicate using the pm system and real names.

You obviously don't read what you see. The answer to your question was one word with a full stop. ( No.) The second sentence was to explain if you knew his style you would also recognise it. No I am not guessing.

I think we are at cross purposes Phil. I don't think we are talking about the same thing. In addition to the Echo Article there was a completely different large feature in the Pink on the front two pages. That is where in his own words, MJ has given the information regarding the administrator contacting him to check that his bid still stood, plus the announcement that he since the exclusivity was granted, had new backers from the middle east plus his plans including not appealing the points deduction.

No. For a start his style is recognisable together with the views.

And it's not MJ either.

What gave you that idea?

No. Whatever you think of him he has the same rights as all of us. It's up to him to reveal himself if he wants.

The league can't scupper the Pinnacle deal. Pinnacle have to do that by not accepting the points deduction unless they persuade/force the league to re think. Stating the bloody obvious, if they accept the points deduction the deal can be closed immediately.

If they don't get it all sorted on Tuesday, unless it is obviously being held up by the league with Fry co-operating, it may not happen at all.

Changing backers after the exclusivity agreement is making it look more mirage than fact. I think maybe the Swiss could be a more credible plan B.

May be. He definitely is someone else not named anywhere I've seen. He has posted on some of the Pinnacle threads and went Ballistic when someone criticised his bid.

The backers of the original bid have gone. He now has new backers from the middle east, allegedly chomping at the bit with the money already in a solicitor's account. He is ready to complete the takeover quickly, bring in a current international manager, sell season tickets, sign new players and prepare for the new season. Sounds real flaky to me.

MJ does post on here but not under the names suggested.

There are uncorroborated rumours that Crouch paid part of the deposit.