SaintRobbie

Fair criticism. But where I have always come from is the fact that Lowe creates these sort of knee jerks and problems because he is such a divisive and unpopular figure. The fact that the vast majority do jump on anti-Lowe kneejerks is a lesson in its own right. For me it boils down to confidence in his leadership. I think we share a similar viewpoint. I just feel a little for Duncan. The best posters on this messageboard are the ITKs and they are always ridiculed. We can all make our minds up but regardless of their allegiences without them taking taking risks and providing pieces of the jigsaw puzzle this forum would be pretty toothless.

For what its worth my position remains: Lowe and all associates out for good. If necessary MC/Crouch in as a temporary solution with a CEO to run the club on a day to day basis until the club can be sold to a new owner and the plc delisted forever.

I understand all that and I get your warning over Crouch at the end. But when investment is moving away because of Lowe's association - ie because he IS a useless chairman and a failure - there is not a chance for a return from it. Shares are nearly below 15p now and falling. He is a very unsuccessful plc chairman. I wouldnt invest. I would be careful about investing in MC and Crouch too - for the reasons you suggest - but I certainly wouldnt have any confidence in Lowe. This is no smear campaign. I have watched Duncan's posts with interest over the past few months. He is connected with MC and Crouch - he sees them as a better temporary solution instead of Lowe and I agree with him. Lowe has no confidence from anyone. Duncan, is well connected interally and on the prolifery of the Club - no doubts about that. He was the club's historian FFS. All I see in Duncan is a real fan who's life is this Club. He loves it and because he IS partial to more info than most he has over the last few weeks started to share some of the shocking practices that have been going on at the Club more openly. He has shown alot of courage if this story of Lowe is correct. And he has shared alot of truths. He understands how close the Club is to going under because of the mismanagement of Lowe and others. He understands that those who might bale out the club wont whilst Lowe is here. He understands that Lowe may have a plan to consolidate a further hold on the club during administration. He therefore wants to alert others. You can believe Duncan or not. Personally, again from years of studying the SFC form book, I think he has alot for us to listen to and digest... but it is up to all of us to make up our own minds.

That is the crux of this thread. The answer to me is that all of us can make our own minds up.

To be honest I think because of Lowe's manner this ISNT a smear campaign as such. I think we're seeing only the tip of the iceberg. Wiseman's statement is the first of many I think, especially now that Lowe has been humiliated over his Youth policy and second chairmanship, which is still leading us into League 1. Lowe has managed to keep an awful lot of people quiet over the years through confidentiality clauses and strange turnarounds from entrenched and opposite positions against him - the evidence for this is overwhelming. On this particular case I have no personal idea what MC feels - but I have witnessed alot of debate on similar reviews of Lowe's character, over quite some time, that leads me to draw the conclusion that there is some truth in it. Lowe is a person we can do without. It would be so nice NOT to have to debate the man, but his very presence at the club leads to these sorts of threads. He is a failure. And I fully welcome any statement that helps remove him from the Club for good.

Not all - but I have learnt who is reliable and who isnt and can make my own - informed - opinion up on these matters Nick. On balance, I would suggest that Lowe DOES fall into the category suggested by MC. Anyway - tell us why the players think Wotte's a ****.

Indeed. Innocent until proven guilty. But ironically, how many accusations are made that turn out to be true compared to false? ... out of interest? The vast majority? As I said I dont care, there is more than enough anecdotal evidence during his long reign to formulate a case for the prosecution on this matter.

Indeed. Innocent until proven guilty. But ironically, how many accusations are made that turn out to be true compared to false? ... out of interest? The vast majority? As I said I dont care, there is more than enough anecdotal evidence during his long reign to formulate a case for the prosecution on this matter.

You raise some interesting points. The latter one highlights a degree of individual self-interest if true, and I have few doubts it may be. Self interest is not a quality needed of a man who runs a football club. If Lowe was to get an award, he'd probably be aiming for an OBE and not a meagre Bates/LawrieMac MBE just to smugly smile at the statue (erected by Crouch) and Lawrie... I hope he doesnt. It would be an insult to the people of Southampton... worth monitoring The Echo? I do believe awards are given based on a holistic appreciation of the individual's contribution to British Society and not just his charity 'work'.

You raise some interesting points. The latter one highlights a degree of individual self-interest if true, and I have few doubts it may be. Self interest is not a quality needed of a man who runs a football club. If Lowe was to get an award, he'd probably be aiming for an OBE and not a meagre Bates/LawrieMac MBE just to smugly smile at the statue (erected by Crouch) and Lawrie... I hope he doesnt. It would be an insult to the people of Southampton... worth monitoring The Echo? I do believe awards are given based on a holistic appreciation of the individual's contribution to British Society and not just his charity 'work'.

As I said earlier... no smoke without fire?

As I said earlier... no smoke without fire?

No smoke without fire?

No smoke without fire?

To be fair to MC, she must have overcome her intimidation from Lowe to have called him a liar over NP's non-appointment and also by saying that she believed Lowe being at the club was turning off badly needed investment. That's a good thing. Also, Wiseman too has come out of the shadows (let along Lawrie Mac and Crouch-at the AGM only sadly). I think we'll see more... Lowe's intimidation bluff has started to be called by those who know him better than any of us. So I dont think we should worry about Mary, we should tell the world to come and join in as Lowe's on the ropes.

To be fair to MC, she must have overcome her intimidation from Lowe to have called him a liar over NP's non-appointment and also by saying that she believed Lowe being at the club was turning off badly needed investment. That's a good thing. Also, Wiseman too has come out of the shadows (let along Lawrie Mac and Crouch-at the AGM only sadly). I think we'll see more... Lowe's intimidation bluff has started to be called by those who know him better than any of us. So I dont think we should worry about Mary, we should tell the world to come and join in as Lowe's on the ropes.

OK. Lets look at recent evidence. Lowe likes to give the outward impression of being calm and in control. At the AGM he was still able to keep himself relatively composed despite the abuse levelled at him. He only really admitted one weakness - his wife had tld him not to take the job. However, we have heard a number of examples of Lowe's true temperament from a variety of inner sources over the past few years - all of which seem to add up to give us a picture of a man who is not as his outward persona may seem. The most recent incident of him losing his temper with the senior man from The Echo on Saturday for allowing the paper to publically attack his ineptitude is one example. The detail of how ex managers and players who have connections with the club have mysteriously changed their tune and stories after initially having a pop at Lowe, is also worth noting. The latter could be explain by his insistance of silence clauses on contracts and the threat of legal action, but the intent is the same. Lowe does appear to intimidate those who oppose him. So I would guess MC has been 'threatened' by Lowe's attitude and personality. Another consistent piece of evidence I have noticed in the years I've been posting on this forum and its predecessor is that the more under pressure from general criticism Lowe gets the more inclined he is to intimidate. Banning banners, for example, is another form of intimidation as is importing stewards from elsewhere when the going gets tough. The going is clearly getting tough on Lowe given this weekends example. Last time it got this tough he was forced to go. Time to keep up the pressure to see him out for good.

OK. Lets look at recent evidence. Lowe likes to give the outward impression of being calm and in control. At the AGM he was still able to keep himself relatively composed despite the abuse levelled at him. He only really admitted one weakness - his wife had tld him not to take the job. However, we have heard a number of examples of Lowe's true temperament from a variety of inner sources over the past few years - all of which seem to add up to give us a picture of a man who is not as his outward persona may seem. The most recent incident of him losing his temper with the senior man from The Echo on Saturday for allowing the paper to publically attack his ineptitude is one example. The detail of how ex managers and players who have connections with the club have mysteriously changed their tune and stories after initially having a pop at Lowe, is also worth noting. The latter could be explain by his insistance of silence clauses on contracts and the threat of legal action, but the intent is the same. Lowe does appear to intimidate those who oppose him. So I would guess MC has been 'threatened' by Lowe's attitude and personality. Another consistent piece of evidence I have noticed in the years I've been posting on this forum and its predecessor is that the more under pressure from general criticism Lowe gets the more inclined he is to intimidate. Banning banners, for example, is another form of intimidation as is importing stewards from elsewhere when the going gets tough. The going is clearly getting tough on Lowe given this weekends example. Last time it got this tough he was forced to go. Time to keep up the pressure to see him out for good.

Its a good point worth debating. Seems to me that our youth have been injured more which could mean one of two things: 1. Not robust enough yet (which sort of explains why most Premiership teams bring in their young players for part of a game and build them up gradually). 2. Trying too hard to make up for deficiencies in their game.

Its a good point worth debating. Seems to me that our youth have been injured more which could mean one of two things: 1. Not robust enough yet (which sort of explains why most Premiership teams bring in their young players for part of a game and build them up gradually). 2. Trying too hard to make up for deficiencies in their game.

Saint Robbie ... if I then cash my letters in as in Scrabble... hang on picking them out of the bag....OK ... I get: Lowe Out.... (got extra blanks!) (that allowed? )

Consistency and Saints has not occured on a meaningful scale since WGS. Was looking at an old programme yesterday, WGS hardly ever changed his first 11, unless injury or sales intervened. Consistency is key, but impossible to achieve whilst the Club has a seemingly rotational policy of playing youth. What is more, playing DMG every game when he has not been any good is not a good idea either. I hope the team stays the same ... but I doubt it.