SaintRobbie

First time I've seen someone tell everyone their brother flies Harrier's, usually Harrier pilots reserve that privilege for themselves

...and at Saints we only get success once a season at home. So.... yes time for change and resulting debate on why that's the case. Life sucks when you're run by a loser.

No to both. But Wotte will fail and we will probably go into administration. So with that reality hanging over us lets make a 'difficult' decision and sack the certainty for failure that is Wotte and Lowe and get some optimism going to save this club.

Exactly. Sorry NickG you can defend him all you like but you're not reading the intent of the article. What's more Wotte shouldnt be putting himself into the position - even if it was misconstrued (and I dont think it was) - by commenting on such things. We'll support him IF he produces results. He isn't, can't and won't produce results. Man's a Cliffordesque fraud with a dodgy background and is part of the problem at SFC NOT part of a solution.

Very good. Pronounced 'Votta Vanka?' Perhaps this thread should be changed to 'Chants for Wotte'

You mean like Nick Illingworth? BTW, Your nickname is ironically quite apt now given Wotte's War Cry!?

LOL I know ... more protesting IN the ground! That's what we need

I dont think he's a revolutionary. I think he is reflecting the opinion of 90% of Saints fans and showing some guts and leadership. Good luck to him... about time - instead of rolling over. Is Illingworth doing anything after his initial tirade or is he back in the Club box?

Of course it does. It says Pearson had more points but eventually kept us up by one point and Wotte is almost certainly doomed.

Ironically, I suspect some fans are actually GOING to the game so that they can sing anti-Lowe songs... there has to be some entertainment at home

Pearson inherited a team mid-table. Wotte's is about to be bottom. Oh dear...

... we now have Euell. ....... not sure how to spin that lol

So the net result of Wotte's comments would seem to be: 1. Fans like LG3C staying away. 2. Extra fans JOINING the protest (see the Echo messageboard below the story). LOL at Wotte.

Correct. IF he was able to produce results I'd back him to the hilt. He hasnt, won't and can't ....IMHO.

Spot on. But can you if you're that vain?

Read intent. Most of the fans on the other thread on this seem to have worked it out. Niaive maybe?

Clausewitz, arguably the greatest war philosopher and Prussian General, published a fantastic book called On War, which I advise Mr Wotte reads. He has at the core of his thesis a thing called the 'remarkable' trinity which is linked together - in balance - for a nation to fight a war. That Trinity is effectively: 1. The People. Who produce empathy and desire for war/success. Read here fans. 2. The genius of the military commander who fights the battles. Intangible at times but his genius produces success. Read here Wotte. 3. The policy makers/governent. Who set the political agenda and policy to send and successfully complete the war. Read here Lowe/Boardroom. To be successful as Clausewitz tells us all three have to be in balance, working together and holisitcally. He has been proven correct in every war ever fought. So, how is Wotte likely to do/doing in his war? 1. People. He has just attempted to disunite his people (fans) into 'real' fans and others, with yet another veiled attack on the people who support the war today in The Echo. errr I score him 0/10 on this key principle. 2. Military Genius. Jury is out but results thus far seem to indicate he can't win a battle. 2/10 (2 is for hope of a win tomorrow). 3. Political guidance. Rupert Lowe. Siding with him against the fanbase not good for unity. Following political guidance is key but the politician should let the military man get on with his area of expertise - providing political guidance only. Oh dear. 0/10. So, 'On War' Mr Wotte... a thoroughly good read to provide you with the basics. Carl von Clausewitz... even he says 'Saints are going down...and down again'

Good comment. But the bottom line - which we warned him about when he took over and praised Lowe/blames Crouch, then had a go at the fans last time was KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT AND GET ON WITH GETTING RESULTS - IF YOU DO THAT WE'LL SUPPORT YOU MR WOTTE. But he's either too vain or under orders from Lowe or both. Man's a fool... and whatever he's trying to do to get Saints up is unlikely to work. We're stuck with him now though I guess.

LOL! Here's hoping!

Songs for Wotte tomorrow anyone? 'Wotte a load of rubbish'

What's more... The 16 year old who organised this gives me faith in the future of the fanbase of this club. At last a budding leader. Nice to see courage and get up and go in a real fan.

The key difference between the 2? Charlton will expect to bounce back IF they relegate to League 1. Saints will continue to fall WHEN they relegate. Optimism. That's the difference. They have slightly more...slightly.

Pretty much agree with that, although ironically Saints find themselves with a slim chance of staying up with a 3rd manager in a season, currently Wotte is a cert to take us down.

I understand what you are saying but disagree slightly (you're right over MW). The reason - REALITY OF LOWE'S APPOINTMENT. Lowe's appointment was never going to attract confidence from the fans. The reasons have all been played out and once more Lowe has failed. When you appoint a confirmed loser there will be no confidence. The difference with Charlton and us is that they do not have Lowe. Lowe = division of the club into fans who crave success and a plc who crave returns. There is a fundamental difference. It is Rupert Lowe. Charlton are not a laughing stock, Charlton have some hope of returning to the CCC next season. Saints are on their way to League 2. Sorry but this is realilty. Remove Lowe and the club gets the fans it deserves. Why? Optimism.

Good idea... but would need the dUCK OFF LOWE banner in there to ensure the correct balance was maintained.