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I hadn't seen that. https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/russian-president-vladimir-putin-suffers-cardiac-arrest-in-presidential-bedroom-an-insider-group-reveals/news-story/c02c8dff64dd79a4c8e53bec6ae8f3d8

There's a world of difference between Nazi Germany and Hamas. For starters, Germany wanted to occupy, whereas Hamas (and the Palestinians) are being occupied. Hamas, and the wider Palestinian resistance, will breed as a consequence of the force. Nazi Germany were an altogether different beast.

Hamas will never be eradicated though. Even if they are, there's Hezbollah, and others. Regardless, the idealogy remains, and it'll be amplified by the Israeli reprisals. Both sides are murderous, and although I can understand why the horrific behaviour of Hamas on 7/10 takes focus away from what Israel have being doing to Palestinians for a long time, the dispute needs to be looked at as a whole. Wherever people stand in this, I'm as sure as I can be that the longer Israel attack Gaza, the worse the cycle of violence will get, not better.

So your complaint is that you think that some people who in your considered opinion were inciting hate, should have been arrested. Gotcha.

I'm with SoG - I'm not sure what actual point you're trying to make. The protests in support of Palestine have been largely peaceful. Sure, there'll be idiots amongst that lot like the person shouting Jihad, and those people should be dealt with accordingly. The peaceful protesters have been treated as they should be, ie left to it.

And the police need deal with those people doing that. If you're trying to suggest that everyone peacefully opposing what the Israeli government are doing in Gaza (and the West Bank) is inciting hate, then say that.

Team

The police need only deal with people behaving in an illegal manner, to include obviously supporting Hamas.

Just noticed that. Not ideal.

Very good - took me a while 😂

Book

The issue is Israel and a Palestinian state living alongside each other. Regardless, I agree barriers will be Hamas ideology and the settlements. There's 2 way cause and effect between those 2, and no easy solution.

I largely agree with that, but I think 2 should more accurately read "Can ordinary Israeli Jews live peacefully next to an Arab state - Yes". I'm not as convinced as you that the Israeli state and some of its Jewish population will allow a Palestinian state and it's people to live peacefully. I point to the settlements and settler attacks as reasons.

Which is one of the reasons we'll never have peace. The Hamas idealogy of no Israel is as unrealistic and dangerous as the Israeli desire to occupy. Something has to give. I've never said that Hamas wouldn't stop killing Jewish Israeli's. It's you who seem to think that Jewish Israeli's don't (won't) kill Palestinians. However, there's no chance if peace if the occupation continues.

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If there was evidence that it was on Israeli missile, you'd think that the Palestinians would be telling us all about it.

I'm not suggesting that Israel shouldn't exist. I'm also unsure of the relevance of Jewish Israeli's living as a minority amongst Palestinians. What's needed is an Israeli state, plus a Palestinian state (or Gaza Palestine and West Bank Palestine), but until the Israelis get out of the west bank, and leave Palestinians to have autonomy, we'll have no chance of getting near peace. All this "if Hamas could decimate Israel it would" talk is nonsense because they can't, and will never get near that capability. They know that, and we all know that. Your belief that Israeli Jews will merrily live alongside Palestinians unrealistic. They antagonise and chip away at the Palestinians. Look at the settlements in west bank. Look at the almost daily settler attacks on Palestinians. Look at how the idf support and assist with that. Consider why the Israel government have purchased 10,000 assault rifles to issue to Israeli citizen, to include in mixed communities and settlements. It's a clusterfuck of a situation, but what did or didn't happen years ago doesn't solve a thing now. The international community need to get a grip on the situation and proactively support a multi state solution.

Do you seriously think there is any prospect that could ever happen? It's not an actual achievable objective, be realistic. Do you think that Israel are doing anything other than turning Gaza into the rubble and wasteland that they vowed to? If you stand back and take an objective view, only one side could decimate the other, and only one side is giving it a good go.

I'd never buy a webuyanycar via auction. I've only sold to them when I've had something my conscience wouldn't let me sell to a private buyer, and I think lots of shite find their way to them. There is plenty of direct from lease stock and other good stock available from BCA, and it's a good way to buy.

I've never bought from one of these guys, and never would. One of them is tied in with we buy any car, cleans them up, marks up the price and sticks them on line. One of the others buys straight from auction and does similar. I'd never pay the premium for buying from one of these sites, but I turn cars around frequently (25 ish cars in the last 20 years) and prefer private sellers, or auction. BCA list their cars in the same way as their sister site (cinch or cazoo, I can't remember which) and you get the same detailed physical description, but the advantages a lower price and choosing your seller. You can, for example, go for ex lease cars in the knowledge that they've probably been well maintained.

I'm not going there mate. It was only a matter of time before people made this a SoG thread rather than focusing on the actual issues. All I'm saying is that we've had you refer to Israel as the Jewish state, which it is, so there is no criticism there. However, that is a term that in itself is a bit of a contradiction given that all Israeli's aren't Jews and all Jews aren't Israeli. By now SoG ought to have figured out the acceptable terminology, but terming the bloke anti-Semitic cos he hasn't isn't necessary imo - just cos he keeps giving you a stick to beat him with doesn't mean that that you need to beat with him with it.

Israel is referred to as the Jewish State, but not all Israelis are Jews, and not all Jews are Israeli. It's easy to see how there can be easy, non anti semitic misunderstanding.

I think it's clear from the tone and content of all of sog's posts on the subject that his issue is with Israel. I can't fathom why the penny hasn't dropped now that the semantics make a big difference, but hopefully after Badger's post it'll sink in.

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Calling out naive comments isn't inflammatory. It's a forum. Don't shoot it down. Suggesting that someone has been radicalised, and calling people cunts, pricks, anti semitic, and the other nonsense we've seen on this thread is inflammatory though. I'll leave it here hypo. I'm of the firm view that you are blinkered to the reality, depth and nuances of this situation, and seem unable to look at anything pre 7/10. It's clear what you think about my position.