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Sorry, I didn't realise this was a hindsight discussion. He's here, belly aching about it doesn't get his wages off the books and/or free up cash for a keeper. It's a daft thread frankly, and the obvious point has been made that we either can't afford or justify more wages for another keeper.

Eh? What's Theo got to do with it, he still has to be paid if we get a keeper in! As others have said, we're paying shite and shiter £150k PW, so it's pretty obvious that we ain't getting a new keeper in.

We see this differently. Firstly, I'm glad you're not one of the idiots that thought Jankewitz got sent off differently, and see nothing wrong with him seeking a move. However, there are people who think differently. Onto Small. I've not sure if we've read different things, but i had read that he not return for pre season AND LATER cancelled his scholarship. Regardless, if we had a youngster on a scholarship and he walked out before it finished, we'd be pretty pissed off. Sure, it's legally acceptable, but it's not playing with the straightest of bats.

One chance. One. If he was good enough to get that chance on a massive stage, he was good enough for another. Regardless, it doesn't sit right with me that people applaud Small for how he's conducted himself, but criticise Jankewitz for asking for a move so he can play football.

You're missing the point. Both were players wanting to move to get first team football. One asked for a transfer. The other didn't, and in doing so didn’t show up for training. One gets pelted, one gets applauded.

He was a free agent, so any "sell on" will be a cut of any future transfer fee to himself. Everton only get development compensation.

However you choose to dress it up, the lad chose not to turn up for training, and ripped up his scholarship to get his move. Some may think that's the right thing to do, others think it's poor form. Jankewitz has been mentioned. He wanted to play football and believed he was good enough. He asked to leave so as he wanted to play. The people on here who slaughtered him for that attitude are probably applauding Small and Livramento for doing the same thing, although not as aggressively as Small did.

He didn't turn up for pre season at Everton so can't be anywhere near match fit.

Our wage bill needed to come down massively. It has, and that will hopefully stop us having to use the loan to pay the wages / bills. It doesn't give us extra buying power though, at least not until we're in a better financial state. Our model is self sufficiency. If that involves paying all transfer related expenditure from transfer sale proceeds, so be it. How much we've actually received and actually paid out are other issues. There's been talk that the Armstrong fee went up if Obafemi didn't go to Blackburn. That may be the case, and his refusal to go may have limited our buying power. All guess work, but the bottom line is I suspect that we would have loved to have spent £25m+ on a decent CB, but we've got we've got, and are spending accordingly. We see this one differently. All I hope is that Lyanco is not as shit as I fear he will be.

Yep. Nothing complicated at all, just get the ball and men up the field, ball into the box, runners supporting. Lots of pace and power in the team though, and a fair bit of skill. They're a decent team, and very well drilled. They'll surprise a few this season.

Ah, didn't realise he played tonight. Bednarek plus 1 of the other 2 then. Agree though, the 9 subs from yesterday plus 2 others ought to have enough to win.

I'd imagine that it'll be something like that. I wander if we might see Simeu alongside Bednarek.

It's about what you have left to spend out of what you sell for. If you're skint you pay the sale costs out of what you sell for, whereas the better off ones shoulder those costs. What other clubs can afford is bollox. We're not other clubs. We're the skint one. It's pretty staggering frankly that people refuse to understand that we can only afford to spend the net sale proceeds rather than the gross sale proceeds. Sure, its shit, but that's our reality.

Yep. Soyuncu doesn't get bullied too often, but he did tonight. Brilliant performance.

I understand Bertrand had covid. Vestergaard I'd imagine is unwell or injured.

You ever moved house Del? When I have, I've had to pay the pesky estate agents, and pesky lawyers, and pesky removal men. If I hadn't been able to save that cash, I'd have had to pay it out of the sale money. It's not a hard concept.

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We haven't got 20-30m for a start.

There will be an activation window (ie not before x date, and not after y date) and a minimum notice period I'd imagine.

They gave us great service, and made us a lot of money. Is that the point you're making?

I guess it's about incentive to the club getting the player on loan...where's the incentive to play and develop the player? This arrangement gives us that, all while giving him the platform to develop and the carrot of possibly going back to Chelsea if he does well. It's a genuine everyone's a winner situation if he does well.

Pretty much this. I look at it as us paying something akin to a loan fee which, plus his wages, is our maximum outlay. If the buy back clause is invoked, the fee that they give us is a kind of development fee. It's brilliant business.

It is pointless. These are stats that do not actually analyse what a keeper does, what mistakes he's made, what shots should be kept out. Analyse all of that, and there's a point to it. You can't just focus on one area of the pitch. Our LB last year created next to nothing and gave us a lopsided team; our CM created little from open play; our CM got over run often; our CB's got done for pace time and time again; our manager failed to make changes, tactically or personnel wise ; etc We were poor last year for many many reasons. Yes our GK's were shit - and we don't need stats to point out the obvious - but we wouldn't have done much better overall with a world beater in goal.

A stat that analyses a GK performance without analysing actual mistakes is utterly pointless. I'm with you on the point that we need a better keeper, but the average fan doesn't need meaningless stats to tell them that.

Cross purposes Adrian. I think McCarthy is shite - the point is that I don't need reams of stats to show that.