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That's cheating!! Assuming Gao stays that ain't gonna happen.

Assuming Gao stays, and given the reality of our finances (lots of crap players who's values are less then we paid on expensive contracts, an operating loss in our last published accounts etc) how should the club be run? The options seem to be : A) carry on wheeling and dealing whilst trying to shed the donkeys, or B) borrow to build, or C) something else - if so what? What's the solution?

Out

He's more than that. It's where he runs, and the space he makes for others. He's a good footballer, albeit a shocking finisher. Ings goal tally has much to do with Long.

Ever decr......

Hypo, quit following me with your pathetic trolling. Feel free to pm me with any opinion you have of me and I'll be happy to explain what a helmet you clearly are.

Of all the opinions against Lemina you choose to focus on mine, but you're a lone voice mate. If you saw him regularly, and particularly in that semi final, you'd agree with the concensus. It's all about opinions, but I never thought I'd see anyone trying to argue that Lemina consistently showed passion and commitment in a saints shirt.

Black

His performance in the fa cup semi against Chelsea will live long in the memory. I've never seen any player look so disinterested in such a big game. Ability wise he was a great signing, but attitude wise he was a shocker. Sadly I can't see any chance of him fulfilling his potential here or anywhere and I'd take the most cash available this summer to get him off the books.

He's a clever player. Makes masses of space by dragging defenders where they don't want to be. His presence in the team has helped Ings massively. He deserves another year.

Agreed. He has rarely looked interested while he's been with us. Shame as there's a brilliant player in there.

Oil

Don't be a troll mate. The point has been done to death. Go out and enjoy the sunshine

Diva

Mode

I've said many times that I acknowledge that the club use the media as part of it's pr machine! You don't have to keep asking mate. I've also said several times that I have no opinion on why a journalist published a particular article re our finances. To clear up your other non point, I have no doubt that journalists get things wrong. You, however, have swerved my point a few times now about why you say that the club will apparently use the telegraph to peddle transfer lies mid season. You and I know that you can't answer because your point is a daft one. I don't mind debate mate but you're not debating, you're repeating a question that's been answered and ignoring a question which challenges your point. By all means have the last word, but I'll leave it there cos other posters will be as bored reading my attempt to debate with you as I am trying to.

Beauty

Thanks. So they'd either need to smash their wage cap to sign either or we'd have to put our hands on our pockets. We still don't know whether they'd want either though.

Any chance of answering my point? It's your argument , not mine, that the club use the media (and I think the manager!) to issue false transfer rumours/lies mid season. I said : "Nobody has said that the club don't use the media as part of its pr machine. Explain a) why mid season (after season ticket sales) the club would use the media to peddle rumours about signings that won't happen, and b) why Ralph would join in the game. That kind of nonsense won't get fans on side, or keep the manager happy". Go on, give me the answer. Is the club trying to sell season tickets it's already sold? Is Ralph a lying puppet? If it's none of those, what actually is your point? If you haven't got one, say so, and we'll move on and save everyone from this tedium. I've answered your question re finances but to clarify I don't have an opinion about what a journalist wrote re the clubs finances. The facts which are contained in the accounts.

Again you swerve a point. I repeat my last post: "Nobody has said that the club don't use the media as part of its pr machine. Explain a) why mid season (after season ticket sales) the club would use the media to peddle rumours about signings that won't happen, and b) why Ralph would join in the game. That kind of nonsense won't get fans on side, or keep the manager happy". It's your point, not mine, that the club use the media (and I think the manager!) to issue false transfer rumours/lies mid season. Please address my point without veering off again. As to media articles re our finances, I have no opinion. The facts are in the accounts.

You're being obtuse. You were reminded that our latest published accounts reveled a trading loss. That's a fact. You were also told by Verlaine that we only then made an overall profit because we sold players. Joining up the dots as to why we can't just buy players should not be difficult. On topic, none of us know whether Celtic can afford to or want to sign any of our players. It's unfortunate that people would prefer to speculate about other clubs finances than focus on the reality of ours. On that point, our accounts are due by the end of next month and we'll get to see where we were at as the end of last season - my guess is that it will show that all of the previous years overall profits have been properly spent, to include on players but let's wait and see.

Nobody has said that the club don't use the media as part of its pr machine. Explain a) why mid season (after season ticket sales) the club would use the media to peddle rumours about signings that won't happen, and b) why Ralph would join in the game. That kind of nonsense won't get fans on side, or keep the manager happy.

You've lost me mate. You've made my point - without player sales we lost money so can't keep spending. It's really simple. I have no interest in other clubs finances. Just focus on the facts of ours.

Quite. Your point highlights my point - we have to sell to buy. The operating loss confirms it.

We can all cherry pick figures. The operating profit is as above. The overall Pre Tax Profit is £33,352,000 I suspect you're looking at the lander figures, rather than the football club. Not hugely different but poss explains the discrepancy.