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Hatton, did not impugn humanity or indeed even vaguely criticise any race or religion in that tweet. His tweet related to a government.

Cheers.

That's a different issue and you ignore mine. My question (with emphasis added so you don't miss it) is how is expressing and urging criticism of a GOVERNMENT and its policies amount to racism against a RACE OF PEOPLE? I believe the government of Chad are a disgrace, ditto Venezuela - does that make me racist against black Africans and south/central Americans? By this new interpretation of antisemitism it must, there's no difference.

This apparent labour anti semitism. I've just seen the tweet from 2012 that led to Derek Hatton being suspended. In a tweet in 2012, he urged "Jewish people with any sense of humanity" to condemn Israel's "ruthless murdering". In what way is that anti semitic? His issue is with the Israeli government actions, not the Jewish people, their faith, and he doesn't question the right of Israel to exist. Am I missing something? Sure he's a militant cock, but based on that tweet he's not an anti semite.

When did Chuka become white? I hope someone has told him.

A few more are rumoured too, plus some tories. Once they grow, hopefully they'll put the focus more on their values as they relate to Britain and its politics. I'd much rather that than the current focus on "antisemitism" which is a word that has sadly become confused with having a negative view of the actions and policies of the Israeli government, rather than its actual meaning of having a negative view of Judaism and Jewish people.

What's the point of a thread trying to guess what RH may think?! None of us know, and even if we did, it wouldn't change anything. We have what we have, and bar the fragile Ings, most of us agree that our strikers aren't good enough. Whether RH has "faith in himself, his coaching staff and his players" as SaintZamboni says we'll never know, but he ain't got any choice but to put his faith in himself and them.

The manager has a choice between various rocks and hard places. Obafemi looked well overweight in the recent training pics, hasn't played in ages, and when he has played has looked very raw. I've seen him lots for the u23's. He has pace, his movement is OK, his touch less so, and finishing needs work. I'm not convinced he's a premier league player. My point though is that playing a player who is not ready/good enough in place of someone who is past it/not good enough is not the solution. I'd rather see Redmond through the middle away to Arsenal with others playing around him.

I can't understand this approach. Sure, Long is average on a good day, but that doesn't suddenly make Obafemi good enough, which he isn't.

Yep, been coming. I think they'll attract others from Labour. It'll become interesting if any tories join them, if so it'll be hard for that group and the lib dems to avoid doing something together.

1. Why must she invest in something that she inherited? Bizarre to suggest she should have. 2. Who says she lied? Just a thought, but perhaps she was assured by Gao that he would take us to the next level, thus he lied. 3. Oversaw a decline...what does that mean? She hung onto control after inheriting, I'm guessing out of obligation, then bailed out. She was not obliged to do anything else, was she?

Yep, they're a complete disgrace. Nantes will have financial commitments from this sale, and then there is Cardiff mourning the loss of their player but refusing to pay for him.

To a seller, the sale of his/her asset is a sale. More importantly, in the sale of any asset (footy club, house, car, anything) the seller has no obligation after sale. The bottom line is that Gao appears to be a man of straw and will not take us forward. That's a problem, but not an issue for Kat.

Err, that's beyond ridiculous! She sold up. That's a bit different to smashing it up.

You mean a comparison between the sale of an asset and the sale of an asset, and the obligations thereafter of the seller in both scenarios? The only difference is the ridiculous feeling of entitlement of the fans that populate this forum.

Kats club was her asset, not a community one. Our fans have become too expectant. That all said, Kat may have been assured by Gao that he would deliver the earth, and may be as disappointed as the rest of us that it's gone the way it has. The point though is that she had no obligation to the fans or the community, and has no responsibility for the future.

Let me get this clear. You honestly think that when kat sold up that she was responsible for ensuring that Gao thereafter invested in the growth of the club? Really? That's like selling a house, expecting the buyer to build an extension, and then popping round to check that he's done it. Ridiculous.

Unreal. ''You can't blame the fans for putting their trust in her''. She's a woman who owned a business and sold it. We're the customer's, nothing more, and she owed us fans no duty of care. Gao looks to be useless so vent your spleen at him, but that ain't Kat's fault.

We don't know what options she had. She was a seller, he was a buyer, she took his cash. End of. My dad passed a car down to me once. I didn't really want it but I kept it a while feeling it the right thing to do. I sold it a few years later. I didn't ask the fella whether he could afdord to maintain it, service it, wash it, pimp it up, or if he just wanted to let it rot. I to his money, that's what seller's do.

Mr Gratitude eh. She could have sold us to the highest bidder at the earliest opportunity. She didn't, but its obvious that there would come a time when she wanted out. People take the view that she sold us down the river but who's to say that this wasn't the best deal for the club? Sure, Gao seems to be a man of straw, but that's hardly Kat's fault.

Del, the spending of Newcastle has got to nothing to do with our ability to spend. Pointless point. Do you really take as gospel what you read as gospel on that website? It's made up figures based on unpublished transfer deals and agents fees. I mean, Cardiff were never going to say publicly that the £15m Sala fee actually cost them £25m were they. It probably doesn't suit your agenda to concede that we haven't got any money to spend but if you put that agenda to one side, its pretty easy to see that we haven't.

Without a doubt. At least one other political player will come from this. The demise of the lib dems, then ukip, and new labour's move to a confused mess, has left all sorts of voids on the political landscape.

So the fella with an ego leaked about a fella with an ego?

What's the basis of all this 'ego' talk? It just seems to be an opinion formed by people on here.

Seems that Cardiff have no intention of paying anytime soon, and will wriggle if they can. Pretty disgraceful imo. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47213352