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Pretty much my thoughts. Legal migration needs to be controlled, and based on our needs. Done well it'll solve lots of skills shortages, and address the concerns of the sensible public. Net migration of circa 3/4 of a million is completely unsustainable. That's more than the population of Southampton, Portsmouth, and Eastleigh combined added to our population every single year. Frightening, and our infrastructure and public purse cannot deal with that. Illegal entry makes up only a small % of that though, and is much more difficult to police than legal entrants.

Nah, needs to be outside space. Hope the recovery is going well, and that the class A's are taking the edge off the pain.

Unusually, we agree. Ultimately we will see asylum granted to many entrants so the numbers won't drop off hugely imo, but we seem to be very attractive for whatever reason.

I got bored with him after 7 minutes as he talks nonsense. Suggesting pro immigration bias by UK Judges is ridiculous. Those Judges enforce the law. His issue, plainly, is the law which he describes as archaic and wants to be 'smashed up'. He's a bloke with a view on immigration who blames laws which don't support his outlook.

Thanks for the answer. Personally, I think that as a nation we're better than housing people in tents. Somewhere between that and homes/hotels feels to be the right kind of balance for me - some sort of dormitory type system with proper amenities.

Where do you suggest they stay? We can't magic accommodation out of thin air. Do we leave them feral? Please give a practical solution rather than just the headline of 'lets make it less desirable'. That's just noise. I don't want so many illegals/faux asylum seekers either, but people have to be realistic about the impossibility of stopping it, and the need to put roofs over the heads of people/clothes on the back of people when they're here.

The clue is in the title of the thread. The party that says this about the NHS: "Maximising the health of the nation requires a fundamental shift away from seeing health as an NHS problem to solve".

Back to my earlier questions...are you saying that when they attend A&E with a popped appendix that they're turned away? I don't want that to be our society. We're better than that. Are you saying that they live feral? If they don't get money for food or clothes, are you resigned to them stealing it? No disrespect, but I'm not sure that your approach plays the tape forward.

What happens when an immigrant collapses in the street? Does an ambulance roll up, establish that they're an immigrant, then feck off? Do they turn up at A&E with a popped appendix, and then get sent to the car park to die? Crazy idea. It's ideas like yours, and Rwanda, which highlight that it's easy to object, but all but impossible to police. Traffickers prey on the vulnerable/desperate/greedy and persuade them that Britain is the land of milk and honey. When they get here, in reality, we can't do much when someone seeks asylum. You say 'send them back' when they've done wrong. Where, and how we can actually enforce that? I get irritated by mass illegal immigration, but almost as irritated when people shout for ridiculous solutions.

Sounds like moody people traffickers and politicians are similar - over promise, under deliver, over charge, under deliver.

It's easy for people to say that they're against illegal immigration, and mock the 'smash the gangs' pledge, but the fact that that the Tories could come up with nothing better than Rwanda highlights the difficulty in doing anything about it. If people rock up in little boats in our waters claiming persecution and seeking asylum, in reality, what do you expect any government to do?

You're a repeat offender mate. Poor form.

Yep. Whatever people's thoughts on the deal, it's done, and gives certainty to businesses and markets.

1/4 and counting.

Ok mate, if that's your belief.

Probably, and it's an interesting choice that's for sure.

I'm ok for half of that. It's the fat ones in lycra that get me - they look like a condom full of marbles.

You've got lovely tits mate.

You'll be back on a bike soon enough mate - I was encouraged to get on a bike a month post op. Obviously I declined 🤣

What wonderful care you've had, and thank God you got the surgery in the end. I had a discectomy, fusion and bone graft earlier this year and am thankfully through the other side. My only advice is to do nothing more or less than advised, walk as much as you're encouraged to, and see the recuperation period as an opportunity to recharge your batteries. Good luck mate, you'll be fixed up in no time.

You previously said that elections are "100% a popularity contest" and that "Every single election in my lifetime has been decided based on personalities". That's massively different to policies first, and personality's selling them, which is what you now appear to be saying. I agree that personality goes a long way, but your previous suggestion that it's all about personalities is wrong.

I'm many things, but I'm not a cyclist!!

But you said it's all about personalities. LD'd post focuses on policies. Anyways, Reform are gaining traction because people buy into their populist policies, and don't believe in the other parties. Sadly the comments I see from their supporters on social media suggests that they can't join up the dots. They simultaneously want the fuel allowance restoring, but taxes reduced. They want a better NHS but support a party who want rid of it, and want less immigration to staff it, and less tax to fund it. I fear we'll end up with this lot in power though, regardless of the personalities involved.

This. And who actually gives a monkeys. There are people on this forum who plainly have/have had other logins. Why, no idea, but each to their own.

I think we'll only see how good it bad the deal is when we know what deal the EU negotiate with India. On the face of it though, reduced tariffs both ways is a positive. People seem to be getting upset about the NI breaks but overlook that short term Indian workers won't get a state pension, and will contribute to the NHS via immigration charges. Anyways, we have skills shortages, and post Brexit it's understandable that we'll look to other countries to help fill the void.