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Nobody has come up with a better plan than that yet 👍

Very true. There's a few on here that can't grasp that neither state wanting the other to exist, and that both states need to agree the principle of 2 states to even have a prospect of peace. That's basics.

Aye, we sure do. Entitlement/expectation/selfishness, etc, run deep.

Yep. Staggering that the majority of Americans think that they can get lots for nothing.

Lighthouse isn't an authority. He's just a bloke who agrees with your pro Israeli opinion.

Your various posts on here are all evidence evidence Hypo. And I don't agree with you. It's pretty stupid to want to see Hamas people taken out just as a ceasefire has begun. On the wider point , I've always taken the view that eradicating idealism is impossible, and that's still so. Killing lots of Hamas people doesn't get rid of Hamas or what they stand for.

Not one person on here has suggested that the murderous acts by Hamas are anything other than abhorrent. Sadly, you're one of the few who see murderous acts by the IDF as acceptable though. Wanting to see a grenade dropped amongst Hamas members after a ceasefire has begun isn't sensible thinking, despite what you tell yourself.

That's Ashleigh Plumptre, a white British lady born to white British parents in Leicester. She's about as Nigerian as a Greggs sausage roll.

Pathetic. If I mentioned killing a group of Nigerians I wouldn't have to mention that they were black. That much is obvious. And I'm not defending anyone, do you have difficulty reading? I'm criticising you.

It looked to me that those blokes were shielding them and making the transition happen. That said, the crowd cheering Hamas is a concern and I'd have thought their popularity might have dipped given the fall out from what they did.

You didn't have to mention the word Muslim when you're advocating blowing up a group of Muslims! Blimey. The rest is typically stupid. I've never defended the murderous Hamas in the way you've defended the murderous IDF, but I wouldn't want to see a group of their leaders blown up.

The images that he was sentenced for were mostly of kids aged 13-15. Without knowing the details of what each of these blokes had (frankly I don't want to know) it's impossible to draw any kind of comparison.

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I'm not sure you'll find too many catholic or protestant Hamas members. Regardless, it was a disgraceful comment. You'd have rightly been up in arms if a similar comment was made about "murderous idf leaders" or similar.

"Israeli media is reporting that the names of the captives have now been handed over to Israel. The mechanism of this is that Hamas informs Qatar, the mediator, and then Qatar informs Israel. It looks like this has now been done. What we understand is that these are three women that are not soldiers – possibly over the age of 50, or minors – so this should technically mean that the ceasefire is now officially on. Usually there is still some form of delay in terms of attacks, but there was a feeling that this was simply going to be a delay, that this wasn’t going to be a derailing of the ceasefire".

Not sure both sides have been fighting for a while.

It's not a ceasefire until it's a ceasefire so yep they'll carry on. My gut feeling is it won't hold, and at best, it won't reach phase 2.

That's a considered response, thank you. I can't agree that there wouldn't be a delay, unless your suggestion is to implement now what has been suggested, then investigate, then alter our approach as per the findings and recommendations of any further enquiry. In principle I see no issue with that, but my fear is that what's been proposed won't be implemented pending a new enquiry. If that's so, we get delay which potentially exposes more poor kids to harm. Your post office point is a very good one, and the civil enquiry has started to right wrongs and give accountability. You're winning me over.

That was my initial thought. I moved away from that as I think they'd want to leave decision making to any new enquiry, but perhaps leave them to use Jay's proposals for discussion and consideration. I'm still in the "what more does the enquiry" hope to achieve camp. We have had years of enquiry, solid recommendations and need to implement them. We then need ongoing review, accountability, and more action when needed.

There's been enough delay imo. Vulnerable kids do not need that. They need action. More enquiries just get in the way of the solution. Devils advocate questions. You say that we need blame. What will blame achieve that is positive? Is there a danger that it'll throw fuel on the fire of racial divides

I don't disagree with that, but, where does highlighting the ethnicity of the perpetrators, and having enquiry on top of enquiry, take us? Is the solution to an obvious problem to a) retain focus on the already established problem, or b) implement the recommendations made after years of enquiry and hard work by Professor Jay?

Although I think the messaging from Starmer is naive and unnecessary, fundamentally he's right that this issue is being politicised, and people seem to want to focus on the race of the perpetrators rather than just getting on and taking the already recommended actions to reduce the prospect of more kids being violated. The focus needs to shift to action rather than blame.

We know there's a problem. Professor Jay investigated and reported over almost a 9 year period. Why do we need more than her final report, and implementation of the recommendations? Jay herself says we just need action, and yet more enquiries surely delays action?

It's a half way house, and I'm still waiting for the Tories to explain why a national enquiry has only become necessary since they left power and Musk piped up. All of this took place on their watch.

Charles played in the championship last season and looked poor so people wanted him to go on loan. He's played half a season in the championship this year and apparently is now a PL player. Smallbone played for Stoke in the championship the year before and looked decent. He also did pretty well last season. Bizarre how half a season in the championship makes someone a PL level midfielder.