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Your post that I labelled idiotic followed you casting aspersions on people for mentioning both sides of the debate in the same breath. Your opinion is wrong, yet you state it as a fact and disrespect people in the process. When you're disrespectful, don't complain when you get a bit back.

Your posts are littered with your opinions of people who don't agree with you. Glass houses etc.

That's a more constructive and considered post. Fwiw, I don't see this as a war - you can't have a war between a strong military and a glorified militant group. What we've had is 7/10 followed by an undeniably ott reaction with lots of unnecessary killing of civilians and destruction of infrastructure. Handing back hostages won't end this, and I appreciate you won't share my view on this, but Israel 'arresting' thousands of people in the west bank (without charge) isn't much better conduct. As for Hamas hiding themselves, that keeps getting said but in reality they ain't going to stand in the open. In any event, Israel taking out 100+ people to get one bloke who's suspected of being a Hamas member, is not on any assessment necessary or proportionate. I've highlighted the last bit as the stated aim of Israel just isn't achievable. Sure, they'll nullify the Hamas threat for a while at least, and may even force the organisation to disband, but they'll jack in the box as something else. If anyone thinks otherwise, just remember the attempts to do the same with the PLO in 1982. Other entities formed from the ashes of that, and it was cited as the motivation for 9/11.

Nonsense. Talking about both sides of an issue is taking a balanced approach. Idiotic comments like yours are used by people to try to shut off opinion and cast aspersions.

True. Some don't seem have any sympathies for the Palestinians either.

Are you suggesting that people can't simultaneously have sympathy with the republican (and Palestinian) cause, and have genuine condemnation for how militants behave?

You don't have to go back thousands of years to understand context form a Palestinian perspective. You can start in 1948, then add 1967, then add 1982 (not least Sabra and Shatila), then keep adding the Israeli behaviour since. Palestinians reacted to Israeli behaviour in an appalling way, and Israel reacted to that in an appalling way. It seems that the differences on here are that some feel that a Palestinian response to what they've suffered was inevitable, whereas others focus on the justification of the Israeli response to the events of 7/10.

Where's there been justification? Don't get me wrong, I skim or ignore a lot of the stuff on here, but I've only seen comment that Palestinian retaliation was inevitable, not justified.

Jews? Twice? Soggy gets told off for less. Have some consistency.

Nobody has 'justified' the hamas attacks. That kind of false allegation makes sensible debate impossible. The point has been made that the Hamas attack did not happen in a vacuum - you mock the statement but it's a reality and I'm unsure whether you agree with it.

7/10 started this phase. Israel didn't want this, but they've taken the opportunity with bells on. Had 7/10 not happened, the Palestinians would have blown their top at some point and Israel would have kicked the shit out of them. However you cut it, there was always gonna be a proper flare up without addressing the fundamentals of 2 states/occupation.

If you believe this only began on 7/10 there's no point discussing it with you. In the words of Duck, educate yourself.

Had Israel cared about the civilians of Israel, faced the music for their crimes and given up the land they'd occupied and are still in possession of (and the thousand of "prisoners"), there would be no casualties of war. The suggestion that Hamas have the power to end this is nonsense. This doesn't end with Israeli hostages being released. That doesn't address the need for a 2 stage solution which Israel oppose despite almost universal support from the west. Occupation and Israeli oppression is the root of this. Not hostages or 7/10.

Island

To be fair, he's got a full house of replies.

Storm

The whole thing hasn't, and it didn't start on 7/10.

Sure. Nothing at all to do with the oppression that the Palestinians have faced, and the completely OTT response from Israel. All Hamas making Israel send in fighter jets to take out residential homes.

Dog

Glue

😂😂 Brilliant character, and a cracking sketch.

Trump

Who can he rely on to organise, do his job, get stuck in, lead, and play like he gives a fuck? Look at the teams who've done a job on us recently. They've been full of players who do that.

The more relevant question is how have they turned 20% possession into 2 goals... We're losing cos of errors.

Some sense at last. Downes this, defensive midfielder that. It's bollox. We've dominated the game and two individual errors have cost us.