S-Clarke

First confirmation I think I've seen that Pannick was in fact representing us on our appeal hearing. English Football League v Southampton FC

All this patting themselves on the back stuff stinks tbh. Southampton Case Commission Issues Strong Warning - Gilson Gray

Nope. I'd feel pretty flat if the club pursued it to be honest, as it continues to drag our name through the mud. They need to take their medicine here and let Hull get on with it. By all means, take some action in the summer if there is a case - but leave football alone now. We had our chance and we let them tickle our bellies.

Hall not going is crazy. Palmer is somewhat questionable too, but Chelsea fans have some interesting views about him this season. In terms of Foden, I do remember him really struggling to fit with England in the last tournament, we tried with Foden and Bellingham and it just wouldn't work. We tried for years with Lampard and Gerrard and it didn't work, sometimes you pick the team rather than the names. The outcry over Trent is laughable though. The guy can't defend for shit. 'He's got a great cross' - yeah, but ultimately we need him to defend against the best attackers in the world and he can't do that. So that's that.

Does make you wonder....

Yeah I know, and that's what worries the crap out of me! He's the last thing we need.

It's a PR disaster to keep him on, let's be honest. Sponsors, commercials, agents, player deals. etc etc. It can't happen. The silence from the club is deafening, but I imagine they're waiting for him to be charged with the FA so they sack him for gross misconduct rather than having to pay out. Or alternatively they just get on with it and showed some front, SR suck up the compo. But that's not how SR work.

One of those kids safety knives that you get in the playdough sets.

Didn't Martin O'Neil say he's staying on? God knows.

Big news. Injunction started. Lord Pannick has just arrived.

Do you know what a manager is? Liam does. It's man-age. He's aging men. Absolute genius that bloke. But no, please. I didn't want him when he was at Strasburg either. a Hipster nothing. He'd make a good Sports phycologist though, and we may need that after this summer.

Twatter.

I cannot see any way an injection is any sort of possibility. It's too late. Fans have already travelled, players are already there. $$$$$$ talks and that will mean it will not be stopped by any injuction. At this point the club should stop trying that angle and own it and start rebuilding what they've trashed.

How can you say that? Sadly I think this is the view the people at the club are taking too, and it's wrong. The club are bound by all EFL rules at the start of every season, it's part of the clubs 'share' when they come into the league. They should be aware of all the rules as part of the agreement with the league, so not knowing the rules is the weakest defence they could have actually presented. And the fact this is what they presented is one of the most embarrassing elements.

I'm starting to wonder if the FAB were actually our defence.

I've just reported these points to our lawyers, but it seems as if who was presenting us has had a change of career overnight.,

They are also dirty scheming bastards, who played their own non-football game here. Justice is for Hull to win and I will be rooting for them. The outcome of our offence shouldn't have been to give Boro the opportunity to win the biggest footballing prize in the world, given that it wasn't just them wronged. It should have been to ensure sporting integrity. By expelling us proclaiming sporting integrity, they've created their own sporting integrity mess should Boro win.

We all know football is crooked, it's corrupt to shit. You just have to be shrewd to know how to play it, and then respond to it if you're ever 'caught red handed'. What we did wasn't the crime of the century, but ultimately how we handled it was probably the worst I've ever seen. Corruption is rife, but it's how you own it, execute it and deal with it that matters. We failed on all 3 because we are owned by baffoons.

I think the biggest gripe here is that this game has been decided off the pitch, Hull fans believe the same. What we did was stupid, we are totally guilty, bang to rights, utter morons. But equally, the orchestrated media campaign by Boro to expose this has been just as murky, dirty and certainly not 'in good faith'. Boro felt wronged, I get that, totally. But they had 2 games to put that right on the football pitch, and this is football at the end of the day. They couldn't put it right on the football pitch, so they went nuclear off the pitch and beat us off of it instead. In essence, they had 4 legs to beat us - not 2. The issue with the result is that it seems to have purely favoured Middlesborough, not sporting integrity or fans. Just what Middlesborough wanted. It wasn't just Boro we had done this to, but they've used it in a way so they get the maximum reward for the fallout and in the same throw penalise Hull, Wrexham and Derby to a degree. The EFL have handled this terribly from the start, but my feeling is that they decided on expulsion the moment Boro cried to them, and it was up to us to convince them otherwise - but once the Boro media machine got going, we were KO and couldn't even get back up to mount a defence.

We've managed everything about this wrong, and we seem to now also be managing the aftermath wrong. Why have the only true, personal, candid words been from the players? (A couple of players). Why haven't the club immediately contacted local media to front up what's happened here and immediately try to swing the narrative? I get we are guilty, bang to rights, but at least try to protect yourself and come out of it with some dignity. Immediately showing strength by coming out and speaking, removing people, or at least 'suspensions', would have been the least to expect up to this point. To have so far said nothing, other than them still saying it was disproportionate (it was, but that's not the point) is another sorry affair with SR and their 'machine'. Fucking own it SR, talk to the people candidly about what has gone on here. We don't want corporate bullshit or woe be me platitudes, we need to see and hear action - and so far, it's about as silent as our defence.

Believe it or not, this also happened at the 2014 World Cup, which Germany won - and who was an analyst with them? Oh yeah. World Cup 2014: Fifa investigating France training ground 'drone' - BBC Sport France were always likely to play Germany during the knockouts, which they did - and Germany won fwiw. Makes you wonder. That crazy Brazil 1- 7 Germany game happened in that tournament too. What the actual.

Absolutley, it goes on. Not denying that, rules are rules though and we were stupid enough to be so blatant about it and daft enough to walk into it and get caught, everyone else is much more savvy about it. On the Boro point, what they did was murky but again - it's the same consequence if you zoom out, they've played a trick to try to gain a sporting advantage. We tried to spy to gain a sporting advantage. Both, to me, are equally wrong - and like you say, it happens everywhere all the time. The PR/Media manipulation stuff does too. As a club we were just not grown up enough to play either game, so I don't know why we even got involved.

Not sure if anyone noticed - David Winnie, he was on the appeal board. Former Boro player. Ok, a stretch, as he hardly played if at all during a tiny spell...but still, the point stands. Was there not anyone they could have found without ANY former boro connection?

It's been the same argument since day one, they don't learn from any mistakes. They're either arrogant and think they're always right, or they're incompetent. Sadly I think it's both.

I don't think it's fair to say it's worse than anything we've done, but certainly equal in terms of trying to seek an unfair sporting advantage through somewhat murky ways. Difficult to prove ways, but still equally murky. I'm fully on board with the Hull should be promoted outright theory, I know their manager didn't want that and they want to go up fair - and fair play to them, I hope they do. But watch the storm if Boro win, because I think it will all start coming out then.