S-Clarke

He looked absolutely out on his feet at the end of the game, I can't be the only one who noticed that? I don't think it's a case of protecting him for the upcoming games, it was more a case of protecting him in the here and now. It's easy to forget that he's just a kid, 19 years old, probably doesn't quite have the stamina for top level football at that pace 'yet'.

The stats don't give him much movement for praise to be honest, statistically currently the worst keeper in any of Europe's top leagues - and not just by a small margin either, quite comfortably bad. He may have had some talent when he came here but I think we've finished him off.

Exactly, I made the point earlier that this sub alone isn't one to rant about. The issue with the sub was the replacement coming off of the bench, and sadly that's the case with a lot of our subs. If we'd have kept Romeu and made that same sub tonight with Romeu coming off the bench, we win that and everyone would be praising Selles.

It would be a good save if it actually stayed out, but his touch put it straight back into the danger area so his initial save is null and void and pretty pointless.

I think we did for certain parts of the game, but how this bunch folded on 88 mins was unacceptable really. For professional players to sink like they did was embarrassing and they need to look at themselves in the mirror. This isn't a new thing, they consistently throw away games because they're bottlers.

I just find it hard to totally throw yet another manager under the bus when the fundamental issues here are the players. End of. There are things every manager can have done better, no denying it, but the players get let off lightly here.

50 min minimum I'd have thought?

I know people will throw the shit Selles way, but from a neutral point of view he was freshening up the midfield where Lavia was beginning to blow. The real issue here, as many managers have found before him, is that the quality of replacements on the bench are utterly, utterly inept. I guarantee if that sub was made tonight but Romeu was the replacement the result would have been different.

He didn't get that shot away at all, pushed it straight back into the danger zone. No surprise he'd fluff it during the moments we needed a capable GK.

Such bottle jobs really, you don't throw away a game from the position we are in - don't care who we are playing, inept management both on and off the field. A win wouldn't have really mattered either way as we are still done, but these morons still managed to ruin everyone's weekends in a situation where expectations were so low to start with. Only Southampton.

I would think about it if they were paying us £11.99 to watch it, but I still think I'd want more.

Robert Pires hattrick and a Pennant hattrick I think. That was a miserable evening.

I'll have some of what you're drinking!

I think the 11 players on the pitch on Saturday would argue otherwise.

It would bring their decision making into the spotlight again, that's for sure.

Agreed, they need to accept the reality and start planning for next year, we are done. Like you say it's all mathematically possible, but there's more to football than maths. I think after our defeat to Arsenal we can only hit a maximum of 41 points, we pretty much have no margin for error at that point.

The club has sadly lost it's way, mainly born out of believing it's own hype. We didn't reinvent football, we didn't reinvent scouting, we didn't reinvent tactics - we just got lucky and things fell into place for a few years. Exactly the same is happening to Brighton and Brentford now, they haven't reinvented anything, they've just hit a lucky formula which won't last forever. Clubs like us will always have periods where things work out, we had it under Poch and Koeman in the PL. Bolton had it with Big Sam, Brighton with Potter/De Zebri, Stoke with Pulis, Swansea with Monk/Laudrup and even Sunderland with Bruce. Without mega, mega, mega investment behind you the inevitable will always happen - the big players will get sold and things start dipping. Obviously you can reduce the dip if your scouting is up to standard and you reinvest well, but the moment clubs like us take their eye off the scouting and start recruiting duds then you're screwed. You end up with loads of expensive mistakes you can't shift which in turn stops you from investing in better. We managed to do that for 3/4 years in a row and I'd say that's why we are where we are today. The decision making in the last 12/18 months has been shocking, but the decisions being made are happening because of the crap that went on before - change needed to happen, we'd had a serious lack of investment for years and a squad full of rubbish, so I don't hold it against SR for looking at it and accepting we need change....the problem is that they've gone about it wrong and in my opinion over estimated the quality of the experience we had (Ely, Moussa, Bednarek, McCarthy, JWP, Adams, Armstrong etc etc). The upcoming summer will enable us a chance to further reset, but rather than a half reset we need to go the full hog. We can't carry the likes of Theo, Ely, Moussa, Armstrong and those sorts anymore - we have to be ruthless and let the contracts expire which can expire, then reinvest in the right sort of players who can make an impact. Not kids, but proven players down the spine of the team. Stick this current lot in the Championship as it is today and we'd be eaten alive most weeks, we need some steel in this side like we had when we were last in the Champ, otherwise we are in for a very rude awakening.

I think Leicester are gone, I didn't expect it as I thought they'd have more than enough, but it just seems a really dysfunctional group. They've got 25 points, so they need one hell of a turn around to survive from here. Similar to us in that sense, they've just got too much to do and not enough time to do it. In my eyes there is one place left and that is a toss up between Leeds, Forest and Everton. Hard to really call that final spot at the moment.

Could we then take a 3-0 defeat if it's cancelled? Maybe they can do that on the final day, rather than than Liverpool tearing us for 6 or 7.

It's quite an incredible situation really, we've gone from shifting on Redmond, Long etc in the vision of upgrading the squad, yet in April we are starting with Theo Walcott as a striker. Failures all round.

And to finish on less than 30 points! Honestly, terrible. The worst PL team in our history, these players have got a cracking accolade to take with them for the rest of their careers. 2005 was bad, but this lot are 10x worse. That's why I'd be happy to see the back of every single one of them, they're all damaged goods now.

Do you mean Callum Davidson? He was the former PNE defender who rocked up as manager in the SPL. Never played for us unless my memory is failing!

I prefer Jermaine Wright to either of them.

We had that little spell last season when we beat Everton 2-0, Norwich 2-0, Brentford 4-1 etc. But since then the only game we've had a 2 goal advantage in was against Cambridge. I wouldn't even class that as an advantage though, as we'd probably piss our pants and still lose 2-3.

1 - This is a hard one as there are so many you could pick. Diallo and Ely are up there, but Aribo pips it for me. I had relatively decent hopes for him in the summer but the guy doesn't look capable of impacting games at a decent level, and is lazy as hell. 2 - Jones - can't be anyone else can it? The guy talked himself out of the job before he'd taken his first game. 3 - Grimsby for me. Same old bollocks, sideways, crabby non-penatrive football - against Grimsby FFS. This is Grimsby who often have teams putting goals past them in L2, but we still struggled to create. Fundamental problems in this team. 4 - The Che one against Wolves, no contest for me. I have no idea what he was doing. Pretty much sums up our attackers who are all thick as shit. 5 - DCC. I thought he'd add the experience we needed and was a solid replacement for Bednarek. But the fact we recalled Bednarek to take this guys place says a lot. Of the times he has played he has defended abysmally as well - the goal against WHU being a case in point. Expected so much more, but he's just like the rest - brain dead rubbish. 6 - I don't think you can pin it on anyone particularly, it's a culmination of lots of things over many years, we've just accelerated it this year through a series of shocking decisions. The main issue I have with this club is how they see one success as being proof that they've cracked football. i.e. our summer when Koeman came in, thought we'd cracked recruitment (we didn't, we just got lucky). Last summer we thought we'd cracked youth recruitment with Tino, so we decided this year to attempt to fill the spine with Tino's and it's failed as expected.