Lord Duckhunter

He must of had it bad if he’s worse than Dejnepo.

For the the praise they’ve been receiving lately , OR & JWP showed the limitations in their game today. They’re too cautious, played in front of their 2 banks of 4 and don’t make anywhere near enough forward runs. It comes to something when our 3rd choice centre half is the one picking passes into the guys when they’re between the lines. One of them, you may get away with, but both together (and Hojberg previously) means we seriously lack some subtlety and craft in there. Ings on form drops in to the 10 and does the job, but when he’s off his game we’re very easy to defend against.

He knocked some great balls, which would have had people wetting themselves had Vesty played them. Made an error towards the end, which people will jump all over, as it’s him. The problem tonight wasn’t Jack Stephens, it was the midfield being safe and one paced, Bertrand, Adams & Ings being poor and Djenopo being hopeless.

The left hand side need to buck up. Poor, particularly Djenepo, who is starting to get on my tits. Time to deliver.

He has been excellent, certainly better than Armstrong the last few games.

The president of the CBI seems to be one that’s admitting it. Praising Boris and stating that the deal is a springboard for growth. Previously a rabid remainer that had called for a second referendum.

If I was Boris I’d call Krankies bluff & give her one (a referendum that is, I wouldn’t wish the other on anyone). Independence when both in the EU is entirely different from now. Previously the sweaties argued that the opt out of The Euro & Schegen applied to them as part of the UK, whilst that was debatable, it’s not now. Krankies pronouncements on the Irish border can be thrown back at her, as we now know what the border will look like. The final icing on the cake is that Labour, being a unionist party, will have to campaign that Boris’ deal is better for Scotland than being in the EU. A remain vote can be sold as being delivered because of the deal Boris struck. Personally, I’d like to see the sweaties fuck off, but I don’t think they will in a million years.

Then abstain. If they want the Tories to own it 100%, that’s the route to take. You’re right though, their position is simple. They want to be in the position to tell their remain seats they were against it,and their former “red wall” seats they voted for it.

You’re only reading what you want to read. Did you miss this bit, a direct quote from a post I wrote. It’s pretty similar to Turkish’s suggestion that you creamed yourself over. “then taking sensible precautions whilst shielding the most at risk makes more sense”.

Exactly right, and in normal years NICE take these things into consideration when providing guidance.

God, it’s like trying to explain offside to my snap dragon. It’s not a question of lockdown, or no lockdown, but of getting the balance between sensible measures and harming the economy. The problem with lockdown enthusiasts is their answer to everything is more lockdown. If lockdown doesn’t work and the infection rates go up , let’s lockdown harder. It’s a circle that can never be broken. If you’re measuring everything by Covid infection rates alone, then only severe lockdowns will “work”. If you’re judging it by future prosperity, other health outcomes, mental health issues, as well as Covid rates, then taking sensible precautions whilst shielding the most at risk makes more sense.

Theres loads of lockdown rules that don’t make a blind bit of difference to infection rates, but make a hell of a difference to the economy. I’d also have thought Doctors surgeries working normally would also be quite a good idea.

I wouldn’t worry about it. They’re just tying themselves in knots to justify being against the deal, yet voting for it.

It’s open, but apart from that , good point well made.

Not at all. Merely pointing out that it wasn’t a “stonewall”. Had it been, one of the referee or VAR would have given it, every poster on here would have said it, & Alan Shearer would also have said it. It was open to debate, and that’s what people are having. I was disappointed it wasn’t given, but equally would have been annoyed if we’d conceded one like that.

Again, who is saying “crack on as normal”?

Do you accept that lockdown will cause more unemployment & poverty. Do you accept that it will affect some people’s mental health & do you accept that there will be poorer health outcomes in relation to other diseases. I don’t normally quote the Guardian, but this is what they wrote; “The number of people entering treatment for cancer has dropped significantly, meaning many patients who would have ordinarily been tested for cancer were not seen. In April 2019 almost 200,000 people were referred to a consultant for suspected cancer by their GPs. This April that figure fell to just 79,573”. So the question shouldn’t be “what other measures will lead to lower infections, without lockdown”. But is the lockdown proportionate, in terms of years saved & cost to the economy.

I’ve not seen anyone advocating letting it run wild, only lockdown enthusiasts claiming it’s what other people want. It’s not just lockdown or nothing, there’s lots of measures in between.

And Alan Shearer wouldn’t have said it wasn’t on MoTD.

The NHS isn’t able to do its job BECAUSE of the lockdown. You can’t get a Doctors appointment for love or money, a guy who works for me has had 2 operations cancelled as a direct result of lockdown, and I’m sure there’s countless others in the same boat. Harsh as it sounds there are 2 sides to the ledger. One side contains the people saved (mainly older folk) from lockdown & the other side contains people who die as a result of lockdown. People with mental health issues as a result of losing their job, or poverty. People whose cancer was diagnosed later than it normally would be, people who are scared to visit A&E and as a result die of heart attack or stroke. A midwife told me that women turning up for scans worried the baby has stopped moving is down 90% since lockdown, as they’re too scared of visiting hospital and catching Covid. Most are fine, but some saved their unborn babies life by acting quickly. Therefore it stands to reason that fear of checking out your baby will cause some deaths. This is horrible stuff, but stuff used to make health decisions year in year out. Lockdown may save people from dying of Covid, but it will cause preventable deaths elsewhere.

Thought I’d watch match of the day this morning as you sometimes get a different perspective watching twice. However, it was unwatchable and I had to mute it after a couple of minutes. Anyone who thinks that bird is a competent commentator is plain wrong. Horrendous.

You really think they’d give us more favourable terms than countries that haven’t left. A rules based organisation, would bend their rules for a country that had left it once before. You’re deluded.

If you think the British public will want the following, you’re more out of touch than even I thought you were. To rejoin we’ll have to; Accept the euro Be part of Schegen Pay in without our previous rebate. That’s before the discussion of sovereignty, ever closer Union, CFP & CAP has even started. We’ll also be years of integration further down the line, more federal, more of what the brits don’t want. Then there’s the new members in those years, good luck selling FoM from Albania or Serbia. The British people voted out despite our special arms length relationship, they’re not going to vote to rejoin as fully fledged members with all its bells and whistles . People like Grievance, Soubry & Bercow understood this, even if you don’t. That’s why they fought so hard to overturn the vote.

Pony. It won’t make a blind bit of difference to “ease of travel”.

Pony. What happened was people moaned about handballs being given as penalties, so they’ve now changed the definition. Surprise surprise, people are moaning about them not being given. I absolutely guarantee had that been given against us the majority of posters on here would be moaning.