Lord Duckhunter

You’re right, it shouldn’t be difficult. It’s pundits and people with views like yours that are making it so. How can a factual decision be subject to “clear & obvious “, it’s either offside or onside. Exactly the same as no balls, run outs & stumpings in cricket. Nobody says “the bowlers foot was only 0.005mm over the no ball line and it’s taken the third umpire more than 30 seconds to decide , therefore he’s out” do they? No they wait for the technology to determine if it’s a no ball or not and then give the decision. You seem to want offside goals allowed because they’re only just offside. Anyway, we don’t know what the decision was in the Bamford case, because linos are told to keep their flags down. For all we know the Lino may have given offside were there no var. Either VAR or the Lino can decide. I’d rather it was the Lino. But choosing VAR and still allowing offside goals, defeats the whole object of having it in the first place.

Brendan O’Neill, spot on again. The great irony of the current liberal fury with Trump and some of his supporters for casting aspersions on the 2020 election is that these same liberals did far worse things to democracy over the past four years. They make Trump look like a rank amateur when it comes to throwing a temper tantrum over a democratic outcome. Their temper tantrum lasted for four years. In the US, the elites went berserk, fantasising that evil Ruskies seized victory from Hillary. In the UK, the Remainer elites used every trick in the book – from court cases to parliamentary intrigue to gatherings of vast numbers of middle-class anti-democrats in the streets – to try to prevent the enactment of 17.4million votes for Brexit. Their criticisms of Trump’s behaviour are laughably hypocritical.

That makes voter fraud ok then. Provided someone wins by a lot, who cares if it’s proven dead people voted.

What difference does it make whether you take the line from the forwards feet or his head? Yes, Bamford would have been onside, but in other cases, for example someone coming back from an offside position as the ball is played, they’ll still be minuscule distances in it. The back of his heel could be offside, just as Bamfords shoulder was.

The states protect their independence passionately, it’s not going to happen.

Don’t agree I’m afraid. It’s a union of states. States should be free to set their own criteria.

The same id you need to attend Labour Party events.

Asking people to show id is reasonable, it’s 2020 for gods sake. Labour want id to attend their conference, but don’t think it’s fair that voters provide it. Why do you think that is?

We didn’t have a vote to join the common market either. To quote yourself. “Get you facts straight”.

He’s brilliant.

Apologies, the plank thing was uncalled for. In normal situations do you think most people should vote in person, proving who they are. That only people physically incapable of doing so, should have a postal vote.

Siri show me someone making a fool of themselves by posting something inaccurate, straight after posting “get your facts straight”.

And that is why players exaggerate contact and go down easy. Sterling stays on his feet, and city end up 1-0 down .

Course it would go on you plank, he’s not going to give up the fight. Just as the sweatys who want to leave the UK continue to fight for that aim and remain supports will fight to leave . What is different is people using parliamentary and legal proceedings to stop the vote from being enacted in the first place . Anyone who thinks Gina Miller, Grievence and other assorted euro headbangers were only interested in ensuring a correct & orderly Brexit is deluded, they were trying to tie the process in knots until the whole thing was abandoned. If they could have got away with it, they’d have stopped it dead. As for Trump there is absolutely no doubt there’s been fraud, and that postal voting is nowhere near as “clean” as turning up on the day. There will be examples of dead people voting, of people voting numerous times, of “community leaders” harvesting votes, and other dodgy practises. These won’t make any difference to the result & nothing has been stolen from Trump. However, there is the wider issue that these things should be unacceptable, to turn a blind eye because they’re not election changing is complacent and wrong. Something needs doing about it if only to reassure the losing parties. Turning up at the polls, unless you’re physically unable to, and proving you are who you say you are, should be the bare minimum required. You have to ask yourself why certain parties seem to think this is an outrageous thing to propose.

Some of our fans are just as embarrassing, my wife’s Facebook feed was full of planks giving it large.

What happens when the Lino thinks it’s offside? For all we know the Lino thought Bamford was offside. If you think limiting VAR to 30 seconds will change anything you’re deluded. If Liverpool have a goal ruled out against City , that 32 seconds later is subsequently shown to be onside by .05mm, is Klopp going to say “fair play it’s an offside”. No they’ll then be pundits stating that the correct decision is all that matters, and why couldn’t they wait 2 seconds. An example will be dragged out showing an offside changed after 29 seconds, and they’ll be banging on about 3 seconds. The simplest way is for everyone to accept that offside is black or white, on or off. You can either have VAR deciding that, or go back to Lino doing so.

Who said I agreed with it, I was pointing out the fact he was offside. We also don’t know what the Lino would have given with no VAR. all the moaning about how close it was assumes that the Lino thought it was on. Because they’re told to “play on”, we don’t know . What if the Lino thought it was off by a bit more than it was? I didn’t want var. But in this instance it’s done it’s job. It disallowed an offside goal. As for Haller, it’s subjective. In my opinion he was interfering, the officials obviously thought otherwise.

His legs/body/head aren’t the only thing you can score with. You can score with parts of your upper arm/ shoulder , so you and Bamford are wrong.

Making our own rules up now are we? You might not like it, but he was offside. Last season he wouldn’t have been, but because there was such a song and dance about handballs the handball law was changed. This is one of the unintended consequences of that rule change.

Offside is a line decision, line decisions in cricket aren’t umpires call.

Bit like Gina Miller then.

They changed the handball rule because of constant complaints, so now the upper arm to where a short sleeve ends isn’t handball. The knock on effect of this is you can now score with your upper arm sleeve, therefore that part of your arm can be called offside. The basic thing people can’t seem to get their head round is offside isn’t subjective. It’s a fact, you’re either onside or off. There’s no “clear & obvious”,no benefit of the doubt. It’s one reason I didn’t think VAR was a good idea, and nothing that’s happened since has made me change my mind.

Don’t talk pony. You can still be sent off.

You’d be the first moaning if a legitimate goal was ruled out by an early flag. You’re as bad as the plums on BT banging on about it. VAR can’t just be used for correcting Lino’s that have missed an offside, it also corrects decisions where the Lino thinks it’s offside ( for example Gabbi at Wembley ), how do you propose it does that without playing on?

No , I’ll cry about it for years, call you all thick twats, and wallow in pious righteousness.