Lord Duckhunter

There’s a debate to be had, but it’s certainly not a “no brainer”. Wearing a crash helmet on a motor cycle or seatbelt in a car is what I’d call a no brainer. Certainly not compulsory masks, especially when the experts aren’t agreed on it. If it does end up happening it’ll be more to do with giving people confidence to go back to work, than any health benefits. This is the great British public we’re speaking about, the same plums who gather on Westminster bridge each week, if you think a majority of them can; wear them properly, dispose of them properly, and continue to adhere to all the other measures, you’ve more faith in them than I have. Btw. She’s a snap dragon, not an old dragon and she’s a band 7, who has lost her father to Covid, so I’m pretty sure she’s well aware of the dangers. I’ll take her and her colleagues opinion above yours on this one. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Yeah, a “no brainier”. Hope the WHO read this, and amend their website. “If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19. Wear a mask if you are coughing or sneezing”. Other brainless people lacking the common sense you posses are; Dr Simon Clarke, Associate Professor in Cellular Microbiology, University of Reading, who said: “there is no evidence to suggest that face mask wearing in the community, by healthy people, can protect them from infection with respiratory viruses, including the one causing COVID-19. Inappropriate use of masks could lead to a false sense of security and cause people to neglect other, essential hygiene and distancing measures.” And Prof William Keevil, Professor of Environmental Healthcare, University of Southampton, who said: “There are many loose fitting surgical facemasks on sale made of poor quality materials which wet easily from breath moisture and provide inadequate filtration. Even wearing Class 2 or 3 surgical face masks brings problems of fitting them correctly and ensuring their safe removal and placing into an appropriate double bag container for disposal. Which should be immediately followed by washing hands. The untrained public can be regularly seen on television continuously touching and readjusting the masks, contaminating their hands and risking contacting their eyes. Indeed, what is the point of wearing a mask if you also do not protect your eyes, a known route for virus entry, as healthcare professionals do by wearing goggles and/or a full face visor. Even wearing an approved N95 (FFP2) or N99 (FFP3) respirator brings problems for the public of how to fit them and dispose of them safely. Moreover, some designs have a valve which open for exhalation of moist breath which can wet the inside of the mask, and allow better exit of carbon dioxide; these masks may give some protection for the wearer but do not protect anyone in the close vicinity if the mask wearer is shedding virus”. “No brainer, defo. I’ve just told my snap dragon that I’m not going out next week without a mask on. She was curious why, so I told her. **** the health care professionals you’ve been talking to,I’ve been told by a real expert on a football forum that it’s a “no brainer”. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Don’t talk nonsense man. Winning the league plus 2 European cups in an era when Liverpool dominated trumps second any day of the week. Forest were 13th in division 2, 5 points from relegation with gates of around 8,000 when Cloughie took over. In 5 years he won, League championship, 2 European cups ,2 league cups & a European super cup. 5 years!!!!! He did it with 5 players that were at the club when they were 5 points out of the relegation zone as well. Had a forest fan walked into the bookies in Jan 75 and asked the bookies for a price on Forest winning the league, 2 European cups, 2 league cups & a super cup by 1981, I think he’d have got more than 5,000-1 . He’d probably have been sectioned under the mental health act as well. These are the clubs that have won more European cups than Forest, shows back to back wins by provincial clubs wasn’t quite as easy as some are making out. Real Madrid AC Milan Liverpool Bayern Barcelona Ajax Inter Manchester Utd I’d call that 5 year period and what forest achieved a miracle, finishing second is not. As an aside, don’t forget the guy took Derby from 17th division 2 to the league championship as well. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

My snap dragon & a number of her colleagues believe they can do more damage then good when worn by amateurs. We’ve had long conversations about this (as I’m still working), and she’s taken advise from senior people in her hospital. A mask tends to get fiddled with, as it’s uncomfortable and unusual to wear. It is far worse for an infected person to be fiddling with their mask, than not wearing one. Also people may not be as careful as they should, thinking the mask is a barrier, when the reality is their fiddling with it has transferred the virus to their hands. Their feeling is it’s only useful if you want to give people confidence to go out, however, masking the general population will create too much demand and will also lead to people that shouldn’t go out (for example someone with a cough) still going out because they think the mask will stop them infecting others. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Logistically it’s probably easier to issue refunds in one lump sum once the season is back up & running. Furloughed staff can’t do any work, so who is going to process the requests for refunds on an individual basis. Norwich & Watford will probably need to be involved as well, as I would have thought we’ve paid them already. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

If the idea was to estimate the number of infections in the population, surely its not very scientific to base your results on tests given to people who feel like they’ve got a chest infection. I’d have thought more accurate results would be achieved by testing similar %’s to the general population. For example If there’s 12% BAME in the general population, then 12% of your sample should be BAME. Same amongst age groups, sex etc. You know exactly what will happen here, a load of time wasters will want testing. I don’t care what Hancock says, my snap dragon has not been offered a test via her work, let alone any of us. We all could get one via our doctors, but won’t without symptoms. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I got a text from my Doctors yesterday advising they were a “Surveillance research centre” & a link to book a test. The only criteria they had was a cough for less than 7 days, “feel” you have a temperature or “feel” you have a chest infection. It’s a home testing kit which the researchers drop round your house, no questions asked. With the number of ****ing idiots we’ve got round here, they’ll put the Government well on the way towards 100,000. I bet they’ll be loads of time wasters. Thing is my Mrs could respond to that text and get a test before she gets one as an NHS worker. Seems a bit haphazard if you ask me, which is the problem with putting a targets on these sort of things. I’d rather have 50k clearly targeted tests given to people who need them, than 100k which includes people who “feel” ill. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Bosch starting again and from the first 4 episodes it looks better than the last series. I thought it might have gone on too long, but it’s back on form. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I’d put Forest winning the league followed by 2 European cups above Leicester’s . Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Perhaps the thread should be named “big name/waste of money” rather than “past their best”. Strictly speaking, some of our greatest ever players were past their best. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I suppose winning London twice was ‘meh’ as well. Perhaps you can get back to me the next time a Tory wins that. Mind you, I doubt either of us will be alive. Maybe you could also point us in the direction of a party leader leader that’s increased a majority after that party had served 3 terms . Fact is, he won a labour city twice, the Brexit vote & a stonking majority from a position of extreme weakness. You may not like or respect him, but to say he hasn’t achieved anything is complete & utter nonsense. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

“Hardly backs against the wall stuff”. What a load of pony. He had a majority of -40 odd, Parliament had taken control of the timetable & the fixed term parliament act put the timing of any election into the hands of his opponents. Politically he probably had his back to the wall, like no other PM has ever had in peacetime . Not only did he manage to get out of that mess, he then produced a massive majority. As for not counting winning elections as an achievement, that’s just nonsense. You’re defining political achievement by your political beliefs. This is clearly a ridiculous way to measure achievement. In my opinion Tony Blair did a lot of harm & damage to the country, that’s a political opinion. To say he didn’t achieve anything by not counting his 3 massive wins is clearly nonsense. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

When it’s all over do you think more people will have caught the virus because Cheltenham, football, festival etc continued or roughly the same amount would have caught it anyway, just at a later date. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

So it only gets passed on by hugging then? Not by using public transport, shops & public areas. Not by touching table surfaces in restaurants & pubs, touching door handles, sitting on benches or pressing pelican crossings etc. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Danny Baker asked an interesting question tonight. One of the events Boris critics have complained about was the Liverpool V Madrid fixture on March 12th. If they’re right we should have seen a spike in cases in Liverpool & surrounding areas by now. There were 3,000 people coming from a virus hotspot, drinking, eating & socialising around the City. Has there been one? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Has anyone posted the Government’s detailed reply to allegations? I can’t be arsed to look back, so apologies if someone has already. http:// https://healthmedia.blog.gov.uk/2020/04/19/response-to-sunday-times-insight-article/ Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Many more programmes like “One World together” & I’m breaking the lockdown. Anyone feeling alone & suicidal won’t be helped by watching that dirge. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Trusting WHO to be a impartial authority on this is like trusting FIFA to be the final authority on football. You won’t be able to judge which countries handled this well & which poorly until way after the event as it’s a bit more complex than counting official Covid death figures per country. For example Sweden may have more Covid deaths, but less suicides or cancer deaths. Nobody really knows. It’s really like the Brexit discussion all over again, with some people who think they’re important sticking it to the Government, but the public generally supportive. Personally, I think the lockdown is disproportionate but think the Government is doing OK. Seeing as the option was Boris or Corbyn, I think we’ve the right man in charge. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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Oh ****. Both are out, Sacked..... Shilts Maldini Ramos Olsen Bestie Sócrates Platini Cruyff Dalglish Drogba Gerd Muller Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Second attempt. Pat Jennings Morten Olsen Sergio Ramos Maldini Michel Plantini Sócrates Tony Currie Johan Cruyff Dalgleish Didier Drogba Gerd Muller Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

****. I totally misread the initial post, I thought it said you could have 2 players from the same club & country. Back to drawing board #plank Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

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Fake news. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

As most know my Mrs has had a rough week & is an NHS worker. Some twts setting of fireworks & sounding stupid horns frightened our dog to bloody death. She loves that dog & it really upset her watching him shaking and petrified. I know they mean well, but these ****ing idiots do need to stop and think. First week was one thing, every week getting a bit OTT now. Let’s have an NHS day when it’s all over, carnivals, street parties, collections, whatever. But give it a rest now. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk