Lord Duckhunter

Until the plp take the leadership decision away from the membership he hasn't a hope in hell. The party is moving towards becoming a protest movement , with the majority of members unwilling to compromise their principles for power . In some way it's an honourable stance, but whilst we retain FPTP it will lead to constant opposition . To bypass the strict qualifying criteria and gerrymander Corbyn on to the ballot has to be the most ridiculous decision ever, they're now going to compound it by sitting back and letting the Corbynittes change the rules for future contests ensuring that there will always be a leftie put forward to the membership . Meanwhile people like Andy Burnham jump ship & moderate potential candidates choose an alternative career .

Maybe Frank's forgotten he's got it .

Wasn't Brown " real Labour " rather than new Labour? . Hockey and his ilk don't seem to understand the reality of labours situation and seem incapable of understanding basic facts . The further the party move away from New Labour the further they move from the majority of the electorate . Their last non new Labour winner was Harold Wilson , doesn't that tell them something.

Great great achievement, unbelievable that anyone outside of the big 6 could win it , doubely so that it wasn't us , or Stoke or Everton , clubs ghat have flirted with the top 8 , but a club that nearly got relegated . Unbelievable. Had we signed Mirgan , Huth, Allbrighton they'd have been meltdown on here , then replaced Poch with the sacked Greek manager lol . I heard on the radio that the manager negotiating the deal wanted £5mil bonus if they qualified for champions league , I bet that discussion didn't take long , personally if I was the chairman I'd have binned him then and there for taking the ****

You lefties maybe sick with " Blairittes " and New labour policies but the voters aren't . Cameron / Blair there's a ciggie paper between them , Why don't lefties wake up and smell the coffee .

When I wrote " since Blair " I meant post Blair . Basically labour need to accept the voters are to the right of Brown -Corbyn . The only time they've won in nearly 40 years is with a " red Tory" , until they grasp the reasons they're destined for permanent opposition

So in summery , it won't make a blind bit of difference if Liverpool win the Europa league or not . Or am I missing something

What are you , stuck in the 1950's . Most people don't vote tribally nowadays . They're not " life long " supporters of any party . They clearly don't like labour since Blair , until you accept that and change, your party is doomed. Labour seem to think the voters are wrong .

Maybe you're right . Maybe people show their support by voting for another party , or not bothering at all . If only labourites hadn't voted Tory, Ed would be pm now

Hockey's bonkers analysis seems to be that labout have plenty of supporters , but they just vote for someone else when an election comes around

Labour candidate for London Khan admits calling moderate Muslims Uncle Toms

I thought Tadic produced a masterclass on passing the ball with exactly the right weight on it today . Different ****ing class .

We did the monopoly pub crawl for my mates 50th http://monopolypubcrawl.org.uk/

According to Alan Johnson on This week last night " the only person who comes out of this with any credit is Naz Shah" . So not , John Mann , but the women who started the whole disgraceful thing . Also said he didn't think Ken should be chucked out . Although he did say " there isn't a problem that Ken can't make worse" , his response was pathetic

You don't half come out with some pony . He didn't insinuate Khan hung around with extremists because he was a Muslim . He said it because Khan has indeed hung around with extremists . It had nothing to do with his religious beliefs and everything to do with the people he's associated himself with in the past .

The Government have never ever taken GDP and divided by the number of households to produce a family income . If they did today's average family income would be 67k. Even if the government did suddenly start using this measure and then predict the 2030 figure , you would surely divide the number of households in 2030 with the predicted GDP. But no, George's dodgy dossier divides the predicted GDP with the number of households in 2016,to reach this bullshine figure,despite the GDP being based on massive rises in immigration. GDP may increase at a faster level in, but it is perfectly reasonable to argue that the EU favours the rich & big business at the expense of the ordinary working man . The Governor of the bank of England accepted that mass low skilled immigration suppressed wages . The chairman of BSE says wages will go up if we left , although he says that's not a good thing . Labour fought the last election on the basis that any growth in the economy assisted the rich but did not trickle down to the poor. It's perfectly reasonable to look at the EU in the same terms. Just taking GDP and dividing it ,is no way to measure inequality or the finances of the average man, and that's the reason it's never used .

Ken's is an anti-Semite ,always has been , but must feel more confident to express it in Corbyns party. Parts of the left have always had these views. He was a car crash on Daily Politics . Tellingly Mann is now facing sanction from the party for his behaviour towards Livingstone. Bonkers

Spot on . It could have happened to any supporters of about 30 clubs that day . All this ****ing pony about always being victims , they were ****ing victims and the establishment covered it up . A shameful episode in this countries history. People should have some respect , the people of Liverpool never gave up and maybe now they have justice they can have a degree of closure

I'd vote to remain if that meant German or French health provision , our health services is based on a 1950's model . That's the funny thing . We're accused of being backward Little Englanders , but it's the " progressives" who want 1950's state controlled health care . There's a reason other country's don't follow our model .

Why are people on here commenting when they really don't understand or want to understand the facts. The Tory establishment has always been pro EU/EEC/Common market , it suits big business & the rich. They took us in, pushed expansion, took us into the ERM, signed masstrict and the single European act. Had they been in power it's inconceivable they wouldn't have signed the Lisbon Treaty. The Tory establishment have rail roaded the membership and significant figures have lied to them to reach the top, never realising that the day of reckoning will come and they will have to show their true colours. To paint the Leave supporters as right wing golf club bores is lazy and incorrect . The Tories who were lied to and conned in '75 are clearly getting older ,but the baton will pass to the next generation of anti EU voters,these will be labours natural supporters, the poor, the unskilled white working man. It is clearly not a left or right issue. It's just a shame that Corbyn abandoned his principles and put his career ahead of his beliefs . Cameron pretended to be a euro sceptic for party management reasons and Corbyn is pretending otherwise for exactly the same reason . Both men are diminished by these grubby acts.

Has Theresa May joined the Brexit side?

Forget next week . Everton at home to win the league , with Vardy back from a 2 game ban ( if that's what he gets) & people say it's not over? I'd take that any day of the week . Even if Spurs manage to somehow get themselves off the floor and beat Chelsea it won't make a blind bit of difference . Can anyone see Everton stopping them ? Personally I think they'll get a 0-0 at OT and Chelsea will win it for them , but it's over . They've lost 3 games all season , they're not going to blow it. They haven't been put under enough pressure to bottle it . Spurs drawing at Liverpool and again tonight released the pressure when they could have got nervous .

But according to Lord Rose chairman of the remain camp, increasing wages is not a good thing. As Tony Benn used to say The EU is the bosses club , it's why big business & banks want to remain .

We don't agree on political opinion , but you're reading of politics is spot on. The next pm will be a leaver , that's obvious to everyone with half a brain . If not Biris, who?

Lol , that's speaking as a neutral is it ? It doesn't matter a jot what you think . Tory members will elect the next pm & if you think he's " killed his chances " you really are clueless