benjii

Can we knock it down, drag The Dell flats over there and rebuild The Dell instead please?

ooh, er missus No, indeed they did not, but if footballers play badly they tend to get slated. It's that kind of industry and I think the realisation that Lowe's grand vision is a hollow dream will unfortunately be a problem borne by them as well as all true fans of the club.

In the real world CVAs don't work. Not sure why the FA is fixated with them - especially when it's its own greed and incompetence that partially fosters the financial mess the game is in.

Maybe if they weren't trumpeted as the products of the world's greatest ever academy at every opportunity and we weren't constantly fed nonsense about what lovely football they play and how they've grown up playing an attacking Dutch style we might be a little more forgiving. Oh, and "not much of a fan" - good one.

Thanks.

It's a 10 point penalty for administration. In either the season you enter it or the next if it occurs later in the season. You can get further deductions for irregularities or for failing to agree a CVA (I think). Quite why the FA insists on agreeing a CVA is anyone's guess.

Returning the club to the ownership of those who have some connection with the local community and an understanding of what our core supporters want would be my preference. The Premiership club is gone. The money is gone. The crowds are gone. We might as well have something we can be proud of on a moral level at least.

Fair play, and I agree that the lads will need careful management as they must be getting fairly demoralised but I think whatever benefit this brings will ultimately be futile unless we do something more drastic quickly.

Come off it. A positive spin is the last thing we need. We need to recognise we are rubbish and change things.

So presumably Forest fans who dared to hope for a win were "naive". Clearly 95 times out of 100, Man U will beat this awful Saints team. That doesn't mean the manager's ludicrous decisions or the players' limp, scared, gutless performances cannot be questioned.

This is the point >>>

Why persist with this glib crap?

Unbelievable attitude IMO.

It didn't touch his arm. An important element of the handball offence IMO. Also, I don't know about you, but the elbow is where my arm bends.

He had his arm curled to protect his face. Anyway - who cares? We were **** and well beaten, regardless of what the ref was playing at.

5 attempts on goal in a home match = relelgation quicker than you can say "madcap lunatic revolutionary coaching setup". Five. 3 of them wide. Pathetic.

Because we played awfully?

Remarkable how he's been playing so well if he can't see properly!

A tad dramatic.

It's sad because I was genuinely enthused by Poortvliet for the first four games of the season but unfortunately we are just getting worse and worse.

Yeah, we'd have stuffed them otherwise.

Anyone who still believes we play "attractive" football or "the best football for years" has serious perception problems IMO. It is clear that we will be relegated if we do not change manager.

This is the crux for me. The "pretty football" myth has died another death today.

Uninspiring drudgery yet again. No game plan. No precision. No presence. No touch. No creativity. The ref didn't help but let's not pretend United broke into a sweat. Perry and Davis kept the score below 5.

I really don't think we have. We have been completely pointless again. It's uninspiring drudgery. United have been playing at about 50% since the second goal and we've been awful. We had one good chance from Smith's run. That is it.