Long Shot

Yeah I appreciate what you say and as I sit here tonight thinking of tomorrow so much of me wants to beat Wolves (apparently they are really fancying their chances) but to cheer Saints on to win tomorrow is akin to supporting Lowe and that I can't do - sorry. One person has become bigger than the club and that is why I feel the way I do as sad as that is. Appreciate your sentiments and one day supporters like you will be properly valued by this club.

I was there too, that will be Dave MacLaren off course - he was actually Wolves player of the game in that 9-3 defeat, believe it or not.

A sensible and rational post - Trousers, I wish more were like yours. Perhaps my use of the word WANT was wrong.

Quite simply because I am not at liberty to say more. Sorry. However I would not be saying what I am saying unless I was certain we could replace Lowe with something better. Believe it or not I threw my weight behind Lowe at the beginning (there was not really much choice) but since I have found out what is going on at SMS and how much he is pulling the manager's strings then I have had enough. And like I said I believe there are, fortunately, people out there who whilst not being big investors would enhance our precarious position.

Nick, as you are a man full of wisdom and the club's best ever fan have you ever wondered if there may, just may be a bigger picture? Just asking.

Beyond your comprehension perhaps.

I believe there is a group of familiar names out there willing to step in. Not neccesarily with big bucks but with enough clout to stave off administration and prevent the need to sell players we want to keep in Jan. Should we survive into Jan (and I note the accounts have yet to be signed off) and Lallana and Co leave you watch the clamour on here then.

Sensible reply - thanks. I know tomorrow if we are hanging onto a 1-0 win half of me will be desperate to win but the other half will see a win as vindicating Lowe and the way he is running the club. I suppose it is the bigger picture I am looking at here ie if a loss is the final nail then hammer it in and let's get the funeral over and done with. I don't want to spend another week lying in a coffin just waiting for someone to hammer that nail in. One step backwards tomorrow might mean a giant step forward at a later date is where I am coming from. Or to use another cliche - sometimes you have to take a little pain to get a gain.

Phil speaking to someone who I respect - it is that desperate. A win tomorrow only perpertrates the problem - it is one result in 123 years, a drop in the ocean. We are weeks away from armigeddon. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Posts like the ones of Scotty Dogs further up just show how people are happy to stick their heads in the sand and hope this is just a horrible dream. It's not and we have got to face reality before it is too late. For too long too many people have turned a blind eye to what is going on off the pitch, often preferring to shoot the messenger. Well, soon there won't be a pitch. Where will fans turn then? Perhaps I will keep this thread and then send it to all those who have mocked or insulted it when they find they no longer have a club to support. Saints winning tomorrow will not solve our problems, it will be mere wallpaper over a widening chasm, the fans have got to look past the results but sadly I am losing the faith when I see a serious thread that comes from the heart being treated with disdain. (Not you mate but the likes of Scotty Dog - says it all really.)

This football club is no longer my football club. It is being run both on and off the pitch by a man who only cares about his ego and I cannot support that. If Saints win it will be the team he picked and that goes against all the principles I used to hold dear in football. I had a long chat last night with someone very well-placed to gauge just how serious a position this club is in. Unless Wilde, Askham, Cowen or the other Lowe backers wake up to the damage their leader is doing to the club and "pull the plug" at the next AGM we will go into administration. When that happens Lowe will 100% blame the stay away fans and more than likely move to pick up the remnants for a comparative pittance. He has no feelings towards this club and certainly blames everyone else for our current position. I really don't think many on here truly appreciate what is going on right now, some even still support Lowe while others think after he has gone there will still be a Southampton FC. So the only way to save our club is to get the fans and the shareholders to rebel and sadly the only thing that guarantees that is when the team fail badly (remember Branfoot). A loss v Wolves will increase the lilihood of that and so sadly for the first time in nearly half a century of undying loyalty I am hoping for a home defeat. I am sure you will all want to have a pop and some will tell me to eff off and find another club etc etc etc but I just ask you to have a good hard look at what is going on at the club and then ask yourself if you are truly happy. I am not saying it should be taken out on the players or even the manager, it is not their fault but pressure must be put on the man who takes all the major decisions. If he stays we are finished, it is as simple as that.

But will they - you seem very Hamlet cigarish. With respect may I suggest you change your attitude because I don't think you realise just how desperate things have become. My attitude is there because as a club we are tetering on the edge and Lowe doesn't care if this club goes into administration. He will simply blame the fans. So rather than have a go at my attitude take a good hard look at our future (if there is one) and then, with respect get real. Fans like Beckster and you are one big reason why we are where we are.

Sigh, a) Because you always seem to stick up for Lowe using worn out excuses. b) and while you and your cohorts do so we will never move on - you perpetrate the myth, you prolong the disease, you nurture the unsustainable, you manipulate propaganda in favour of the fraud, in short your prop up the corrupt, undenying man that is Mr Lowe esq. You can't help it. I assume. He has you under a spell. Is it politics - yes probably. Is it sex - I doubt it? Is it a fear of being proved totally 100% wrong - Yes. Whilst people like you demand medals just for being there on Saturday you remind me of the men going over the top in the First World War knowing that they were being lead by donkeys, but hey that doesn't matter because we are real soldiers/fans. Please pause a moment and question what your great mesiah has done for SFC. Taken the crowds down to less than were at the low days in football at the Dell ie sub 15,000. Divided the fans like it would have been impossibe to conceive. And yet you are still in denial, still peddling the broken dream that this man is the right man to lead us? Come on Beckster - the quicker you and your dwindling band of Japanese soldiers escape the Philipine jungle the better. The man has to go, you know it in your heart of hearts - give up the fight and accept you got it wrong. Kind Regards Long Shot

And you don't of course. Like I said last night it is because of fans like you that we are where we are. The "Lowe apologists" will have much to answer for come the final reckoning which by all accounts (now theres a word to strike fear into Wilde's heart) is not far off. I believe Um Pahars's agenda to be, ultimately for the greater good of the club, yours, like Lowe's, is driven by no more than self-justification and self-glorification.

Or those who already have shares see sense and vote against him, come the eagerly awaited, but not yet announced AGM.

A ring rusty Svensson gingerly feeling his way back into shape v Reading? Oh my God!

Sorry this is a blinkered opinion. Had Lowe treated Redknapp with just a modicum of respect then we might, just might have flourished. As it was with Lowe's antipathy to Redknapp (don't forget he had already interviewed him for the job once before when Gray ultimately got the nod) and his inbred dislike of "****ney geezers" it was never ever gonna work and HR realised that within 48 hours of arriving. You can spout your 1.8m for Morrison argument until you are blue in your proverbial but the fact remains. The sooner your type of Lowe apologists get real the sooner this club will start to climb of its knees. Oh and what was the score again tonight?

Admiral post - thanks for taking the time!

I hear Graham Hiley is the ghost writer.

With you 100% on this - sure he's a wide boy but he is a clever operator and as shrewd as it gets. A nice bloke too - approachable and not up his own backside. Had he been given the right backing (and I don't mean financial neccesarily) he would have done a good job for us.

Nick, please don't take this the wrong way and I mean no offence but you strike me as being the sort of bloke that if you caught Lowe in bed with your wife you would doff your hat and say "how was that for your, Sir?" Probably completely out of order but you do seem to go a long way out to defend a bloke who is not worth defending.

Of course you are right but the world is/was full of journalists who were prepared to print and be damned. The Echo is now a worthless rag and from your post it sounds like you too have given up the ghost - which is a shame.

I think that a little harsh on Adam - he is just a young lad who is no match for Lowe and, even if he was, would his sycophantic bosses back him? People like Ian Murray and Simon Carter are only in it for their own ends and have no vestige of journalistic traditions, certainly as far as Southampton FC are concerned anyway. Everything is so cosy - even the the bitter Lawrie Mac's column is a bastion of blandness. Our club is dying and LM prattles on about Jock Stein and Matt Busby. Come on big man, get stuck in and tell the fans the truth - if you have the cojones? The guy hates Lowe but says nothing controversial. Is that down to the Echo or LM? I know one thing - if we were in Manchester now the local paper would be in uproar at Bassett's revelations but.............. So Adam - if by chance you read this thread - how about an interview with Lowe and ask him to answer Bassett's allegations? Do you have the cojones?

Typical reaction this. Well... since HR left he has gone one way and we have gone the other. And I love the way you make a character assasination on Bassett too. "Not the brightest spark and someone who would distort the truth"? You obviously know him well to make such a judgement?

I know you mean well Phil but you are flogging a dead camel