
Verbal
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What the hell does left-wing or right-wing mean in 2012?
Verbal replied to pap's topic in The Lounge
You can only apply the label hypocrite to Bragg if (a) you believe that there is a 1:1 relationship between personal wealth and class interests (ask yourself what he 'should' do if he were not a 'hypocrite'); and (b) Bragg has argued for some sort of communistic vision of society in which his wealth would be denied to him. I don't know for sure whether he's done either recently, but I'd characterise his politics as progressive-left, not Stalinist, forced-labour-camp 'Socialism in One State'. As for your point about capitalism delivering social justice, this is a piece of wishful thinking based upon an illegitimate extension of Adam Smith's ideas about 'equilibrium' (ideas which even Smith felt were wrong). With the exception of a few remarkable historical figures like Robert Owen, social justice has been delivered by some part or other of the state, precisely because it cannot be delivered without partial redistribution from one set of wealth creators who cornered more than they earned to those wealth creators who were left with less. Living standards have been raised by a combination of welfare-state intervention and economic growth - and even the latter is dependent on a mixture of stimuli from the state and private sector. -
Argentina upping the ante on the Falklands....
Verbal replied to doddisalegend's topic in The Lounge
The usually accepted definition of indigenous peoples these days is those people who occupied lands before colonisation. So that would be no one but the penguins. If you don't like the accepted definition, and want to go by who got there first - the French. As you see, the Falklands issue doesn't withstand particularly close scrutiny before sounding all a bit silly. -
Argentina upping the ante on the Falklands....
Verbal replied to doddisalegend's topic in The Lounge
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/07/08/falkland-islands-s-plans-to-make-immigration-policy-more-flexible -
Argentina upping the ante on the Falklands....
Verbal replied to doddisalegend's topic in The Lounge
No one. -
What the hell does left-wing or right-wing mean in 2012?
Verbal replied to pap's topic in The Lounge
No you can't - by your argument, that is. If you're left of centre and wealthy, that's hypocritical, so you say. So by the same argument, if you're right of centre you have to be an exploitative, in-it-for-yourself cretin. And less of the 'compassion' - Owen was right when he argued that the wealth creators were employers and employees alike. Compassion doesn't come into it. -
Argentina upping the ante on the Falklands....
Verbal replied to doddisalegend's topic in The Lounge
So it's your view that the Falkland Islanders are indigenous? Really?! They are as indigenous as the sheep. -
Argentina upping the ante on the Falklands....
Verbal replied to doddisalegend's topic in The Lounge
The Falkland Islanders themselves are widening their immigration policy in a way that would allow precisely this. -
What the hell does left-wing or right-wing mean in 2012?
Verbal replied to pap's topic in The Lounge
What a messy jumble of thoughts, Sergei. This recalls an earlier thread, but let's leave that for now. Owen's point was that the 'wealth creators' were the employers AND employees. Where 'compassion' comes into this I have no idea. In Owen's case and beliefs, it's more to do with issue of equity and social justice. -
Argentina upping the ante on the Falklands....
Verbal replied to doddisalegend's topic in The Lounge
Self-determination is a wonderful thing. But if you believe in it you should stick with it - so if future Argentine migration to the islands means a vote goes in favour of annexation to Argentina, there isn't much anyone can do about. Fair enough? -
What the hell does left-wing or right-wing mean in 2012?
Verbal replied to pap's topic in The Lounge
Or to put it another way, our dear Sergei thinks there is a 1:1 relationship between economic status and class interest. So if you're rich, you're a right wing swivel-eyed...(I want to say gimp, but you know what I mean). By the same token, and not to be a 'hypocrite', he should argue that if you're poor, you should be a red-flag-waving communist. Somehow, there has been a long history of wealthy 'hypocrites' - like Robert Owen, to take just one example. Owen was a successful mill owner and social reformer whose ideas about working class communities revolutionised philanthropic thinking, and created a branch of left-wing thought known as 'Utopian Socialism'. Owen's ideas were famously successful - both in terms of producing more equitable communities in places like New Lanark, and in purely financial terms. Owen was, in other words, a remarkably effective capitalist whose personal wealth (created, as he was the first to admit, by those who worked for him) was ploughed back into improving the housing and factory conditions of his employees. Some hypocrite. -
What the hell does left-wing or right-wing mean in 2012?
Verbal replied to pap's topic in The Lounge
I doubt it's from America. The 'libertarian right' is basically the Tea Party, whereas 'libertarian left' is (to many Americans) oxymoronic. "Liberal' in the US is a widespread term of abuse (and widely misunderstood, as you say) - so much so that left-wing Democrats avoid describing themselves in such terms. -
What the hell does left-wing or right-wing mean in 2012?
Verbal replied to pap's topic in The Lounge
What kind of a dumbass question is that? -
What the hell does left-wing or right-wing mean in 2012?
Verbal replied to pap's topic in The Lounge
For example? -
More than a laugh, trousers - at least I hope so. Rumour is that this week is going to be pretty devastating for NI AND the government and police officials they've succeeded in corrupting.
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Pass.
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Soon, yes.
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What he's done is put Oxo's younger brother into the Pompey youth set up, presumably after the bust-up with Cortese. I can see that working out well.
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No, I've checked. You're a 19 year old girl with an aversion to privatised trains and right-wing politics.
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This one, on the Forest board, is a peach: One reason we appointed Cotterill was because he apparently did well on a budget at Pompey. Whereas in actual fact he did terribly and nearly bankrupt them.
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New RFA Tankers To Be Built In South Korea
Verbal replied to View From The Top's topic in The Lounge
But then along comes the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2105670/MoD-rejected-offer-build-Navys-tankers-Britain.html -
So I'm curious: how can due diligence be carried out by TB, only for him to discover within a week that things are far worse than he expected?
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So who are they? And what evidence is there that this is an Islamist uprising? I'm really curious to know.
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Where did you get that idea from?