Dave Benson Phillips

That could be a reason... But... If that was the case they would have to advertise the OS elsewhere other than the OS itself! Surely???

Will you admit you were wrong if season tickets are not at the expected level? ( I think we all agree that with our position and favourites for the league, we should have a significantly higher season ticket base ) ?

You seem to think that every single season ticket holder, without exception, be it new or renewing, doesn't need advertising and the final season ticket figure will not be affected by the lack of advertising. Are you willing to bury this one now until we find out how many have been sold? And will you say sorry and admit you were wrong if (when) the Season Ticket numbers have shown to be significantly affected by the clubs selling policy?

As for Coca-Cola, it was just an example of brand awareness. SFC's competitors are the whole leisure industry so they do need to set themselves apart from them. Season Tickets are a luxury item, as with any luxury item you need to convince many customers that buying the season ticket is more important than the family holiday / taking the kids bowling once a week etc etc... again, that's what advertising and marketing does to help. Advertising on the OS is not 'advertising' in the sense of reaching out to the 'might renew/buy' group... because the majority of these people won't read the OS.

Anywhere between 15,000 and 20,000 depending on a number of things. If they had aggressively advertised and priced attractively with customer friendly payment options/early bird etc, then I am almost certain the clubs target of STH's should have been closer to 20k. As it happens, we are going to end up with around half of that number. There were so many things the club could have done at little or no cost to maximise season ticket sales, the club done nothing, which makes me 100% certain they have made a commercial decision to force out 'discounted' ticket holders... although I don't believe for a minute the strategy will work.

You might not, but some people will indeed choose another product. This form of advertising is called 'Brand Awareness' - They know that you are aware of their product, but through advertising and marketing they can sway you into buying the product, either consciously or subconsciously. Coca-Cola are the most well known brand in the world, there is not a person in the world who doesn't know the product exists... ... why do they spend so much on advertising? Prestige and Brand Awareness.

You seem to think that no Saints fan needs marketing/advertising/reminding/selling a season ticket to. That is retarded. Every product/brand in the world relies on marketing/advertsing. If they don't advertise, sales go down... this is a pretty simple fact. Understood?

Thats a surprise. Why is David saying " I am sure the club will announce these details when they are ready to do so " Is he no longer part of "The Club" ?

Errr... it's not just an English way, all major leagues in Europe work by selling season tickets. Do you HONESTLY think that people who have not renewed this year as a direct result of the clubs lack of marketing or customer friendly pricing/buying options, will attend 15 or more home league games this season? Whether you think it is a good idea or not is answered with that question. Will the non-renewers attend an average of 15 games a season between them? You know as well as I do that the answer is a massive NO. Maybe if we were in the Premiership, but we're not, we're in League 1 ffs.

That is what we are looking at doing as well, although the driver/owner of the MPV has now dropped out so is in the balance whether we will get there now.

Bald people I hate the most, and when they don't shave it looks like they have their head on updside down. They make me sick.

I am fat, but whilst I still pull birds up and beyond the fat league, I don't feel the need to change. Once I stop getting my willy wet I might think different.

Do you want to come Turkey? We've got a 7 seater with only 4 people in. You can sit in the front if you want. xx

Anyone else making the trip over there? Obviously Steveo is already there, I know of 4 cars driving down and staying on Saturday night. Who else is going to be in Fribourg on Saturday for a parrrrrrrrrteh? Oh... here is the stadium... http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&q=Stade+Universitaire+Saint-L%C3%A9onard.+fribourg&fb=1&gl=uk&hq=Stade+Universitaire+Saint-L%C3%A9onard.&hnear=Friburg,+Switzerland&cid=0,0,6954109214551363176&ei=dnU9TMSZJ5qK4gabttXGAg&ved=0CBYQnwIwAA&ll=46.816288,7.15358&spn=0,0.01929&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=46.816288,7.15358&cbp=12,0,,0,5&photoid=po-8573381

LOL You have not got a clue. A typical example of our retarded support is shown in your post.

I sold it for £300 :-)

Stupid question really. Laptop in your rucksack?

I've took a screen dump of that, just incase you try to edit it.

What I am saying that you can't make a statement suggesting it is a proven strategy when nobody has ever done it before. I am almost certain it won't work, because for it to work, the people who WOULD have bought a season ticket/renewed have to attend an average of around 15 games each next season for the club to generate more cash. So regardless of whether the average attendance is more, that will not prove the negative-selling of season ticket strategy works. The only way we will know if it worked is by knowing how many games on average the non-renewers go to next season. I am absolutely certain it won't be anywhere near 15 on average.

Does it work? Can you point me to some evidence of it working? Or maybe name me another club in England that has used this strategy?

Then they are treated the same way as anyone else doesn't pay a f*cking fine. Jesus, some of you are so far stuck up your own arses. F*cking hell, first on the installment plan peoples reasons for not having it was because of defaulters, now people are saying get rid of £80 fines because they might not pay them. Get a grip.

No... it affects public SECURITY Do you not get that?

They go to court and under Conservative plans, once convicted are deported back to their country of origin.

And I am not being racist. We live in a state of heightened security. Burkas are a security risk and can be used to conceal identity... not just from people who wear them for their religion... Nobody in this country, which is a terrorist target, should be allowed to conceal their identity.

They won't announce season ticket numbers until August 9th... the last thing they want is more publicity reminding people they can buy one!