badgerx16

So you are right and the entirity of the followings of three major religious traditions are wrong ?

Obviously the Kings were part of a gift giving tradition that predated the birth of Jesus.

I know, but you asked for the Christian basis and I gave it. Just stop perpetually trying to find new, "clever", ways to justify your pedantism.. Christians BELIEVE, nothing you post on here will alter that fact.

Sunni Muslims have faith in their interpretation of Islam, Shia muslims have faith in theirs Muslims have faith in one interpretation of Abrahamic tradition, Christians support another, Jews a third.

The 3 Kings.

I am not saying I think it is demostrable, I am saying the people who believe it accept it as such. Is the diffenece so hard for you to understand.

Many moons ago I was Technical Team Leader at a VME mainframe site, where our senior systems analyst made a slight alteration to a transaction proicessing program, which he said was so minor he didn't need to test it before making the new version "live". He altered the line that preset a variable used in a logic loop, simply changing the preset number. However, what he had done was blow the subsequent logic that exited the loop and caused the entire mainframe to go into an infinite loop. The only way to break it was to shut down the entire TP system, multiple applications, and restart it. I was, shall we say, not very happy with him.

And Jesus was our right back.

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Faith is not a single thing - my faith is different to that of the Bishop of Liverpool, the Patriarch of the Orthodox Church in Ukraine, the Chief Rabbi,or the Ayatollahs in Iran. All of us still, however, have it.

NO !!!!!!!!! Try to understand, for a large number of people the "empirical data" is Creation and the Bible. This is what they believe and accept as proven fact. Just suck it up.

We are testing how firmly he holds faith in that assertion.

Or which iteration of the Matrix.

To the people that hold such faith, yes. Is this the bit you find so hard to comprehend ?

So it's his fault.

I think, I think I am Therefore I am, I think Of course you are my bright little star I've miles and miles of files Pretty files of your forefather's fruit And now to suit our great computer You're magnetic ink. ( The Moody Blues - In the Beginning )

You clearly, and deliberately, keep missing the point - The people that believe this accept the Bible and Creation as demonstrable proof. A fourteenth century peasant asked his local priest "How do I know God exists, where is the proof ?", the priest replied "Look about you my son at the glory of God's creation laid out before you".

MLG - " But how does that connect to their God rather than another God?" Badger - "The connection you ask about is FAITH"

Anoia, the Goddess of things that get stuck in drawers.

Peadnt.

FFS, the 'demonstrable evidence' at the time was the Word of God, as published in the Bible. Perhaps mankind and science have progressed since then, but at the time this was accepted wisdom.

You still don't get it - "Evidence" is only what an individual or group believe to be true. Sometimes the group is pretty much the entirity of humanity, sometimes it is the Global congregation of a religious dogma, sometimes it is a pedant on an Internet forum. YOU dismiss the "evidence" of Creation because YOU don't belive it. The connection you ask about is FAITH, purely and simply, but as you don't have it you cannot comprehend it.

If God revealed himself fully to man's view then He would destroy faith.

Can you prove that, or is it merely the current 'best fit' theory ? 1500 years ago people believed that God created the World in 7 days, and the Earth was no more than 4000 years old- all the evidence at the time supported this. Indeed, many still support this belief.

And, of course, God created MLG.