badgerx16

Do you think there's 1 chance in a million that he won't be ? Short of him dying before Inauguration Day he''l be in the Oval Office on Jan 21st. ( And hopefully, Trump will be having to avoid New York state ).

"We won that by a big margin, if you count only the valid goals we won. What happened out there was fraud on a massive scale. The VAR system was funded by a dead Venezuelan dictator, the scoreboard switched Liverpool goals to Brighton, a van load of Brighton goals was brought in through the back door and the officials completely ignored them ".

Trump has won 1 and lost 38 so far, and a requested ( demanded ? ) recount in one Wisconsin district increased Biden's vote.

No, I am suggesting that you have stuffed your tongue firmly into your cheek and are playing agent-provocateur.

Is this your new crusade ?

Those are the rules effective from Jan 1st 2021, and whilst the licences are technically "time limited", did you miss the mention of "automatically renewed" ? Edit: one of the options the Government is looking at to improve UK fisheries is to extend the licence to 5 years. (PS: are you on some sort of bonus for every time you post 'regained control' ? ) 🙂

Sisters

But it is never just Friday, why can't Thursday, Saturday, Sunday, or any other day involved get a mention ?

UK quota allocation rules are not changing, so as long as a foreign owned vesssel qualifies by the following conditions for a licence, it will be able to continue; landing over 50% by weight of their catch into UK, Channel Islands and Isle of Man ports. demonstrating that at least 50% of the total crew man days at sea were accounted for by crew normally resident in UK coastal areas. providing proof that routine expenditure in the UK on goods and services for the vessel was equal to either: i) 50% of the value of quota stocks landed net of crew wages, or ii) 50% of the vessel’s total operating expenditure for the year, net of crew wages. donating quota to the English under-10m fleet equivalent to a value representing 10% of the value of catch landed overseas. any combination of the above methods agreed by the MMO. Licences are valid for 2 years and renew automatically. Currently no new licences are being issued, as a measure to control the size of the UK inshore fleet, and the Government has not yet worked out how to manage the incorporation of what is currently the EU's catch in UK waters into the UK's catch, and how to allocate it. This is because negotiations regarding post-Brexit fisheries access are, technically, still ongoing.

That 80% of the UK total catch in the report, represents no more than 50% of the total catch in UK waters, and at least 75% of it is exported to the EU. ( 20% of the UK catch in UK waters is shellfish ). As a proportion of catch landings, 60% of UK catch is landed in the UK, 40% in th EU and Norway, which means that a part of that catch in UK waters is actually landed abroad. 14% of the UK total catch is caught in EU waters. In terms of the boats used, 80% of the UK fleet are classified as small, ( less than 10m length ), and together land no more than 12% of the catch ( by weight ), which is why there would be issues with expecting the UK inshore fleet to take up any catch recovered from EU fishermen - they simply lack the ability or capacity to do so. Interestingly for this discussion, the UK actually has a slight trade surplus with the EU in terms of seafood, which adds to the industry's desire for a trade deal that avoids tariffs. ( Overall, the UK has a global trade deficit in seafood, the largest source countries being Iceland and China ).

Option (A) landing at least 50% by weight of the vessel’s catch of quota stocks into the UK Option (B) employing a crew of whom at least 50% are normally resident in a UK coastal area Option (C) incurring a significant level of operating expenditure in the UK for goods and services provided in UK coastal areas Option (D) demonstrating an economic link by other means (including combinations of the above) providing sufficient benefit to populations dependent on fisheries and related industries.

If there is no deal then EU fishermen in UK waters are acting illegally unless they are licenced. The same applies to UK fishermen currently accessing EU waters. In terms of market access, there is a similar tit-for-tat situation. Common sense would suggest that both sets of fishermen would want an agreement, whether the politicians are capable of making one seems a long shot. As has been mentioned several times, it isn't simply a case of the foreign boats leaving UK waters and UK fishing boats taklng up the slack; the UK boats catching and landing in EU waters are not necessarily designed or equipped to catch the species that the continentals are lifting in our coastal waters, and the species that are exported to the EU, either directly into EU ports or transported after landing in the UK, are not commercially viable in the UK. ( Despite Wes' contention that it is entirely possible that UK consumers will switch their battered cod for langoustines ). As for policing things, the UK has a very small number of Fisheries Protection vessels, potentially 8 are available for service, based in Portsmouth. The RN would almost certainly not try using any of the mainline surface fleet as their hulls are not designed for physical confrontation, as was demonstrated on several occasions during the Cod Wars.

Kerrie

They're going to surround the island with CoViD ?

Just come back from shopping; still seeing ( young apparently healthy ) people walking round shops wthout masks, and one bloke at a checkout explaining that he was shopping on his own because his wife is at home self-isolating.

I would give it to somebody with experience in supplying the product.

Less than 0.2% of the UK economy seems insignificant to me, though. Is that worth risking an FTA deal over, or should we allow our 'red line' to be smudged ?

Both. UK fishermen catch fish in Irish, French, Danish, and Dutch waters, they also catch in Norwegian, Icelandic, and Faroese waters. They also catch in UK waters. Ultimately, the most important statistics are that the UK is a net importer of fish, with a significant global trade gap. ( China is actually by far our largest source of fish imports ).

No we don't, as UK fishermen wouldn't have access to EU waters, where they currently fish, either.

God wanted His hand back.

Wes, simply because somebody voted remain does not mean they fail to understand the mechanics and politics of the current situation regarding Brexit. The passing of the Fisheries Act does not alter anything regarding a final FTA with the EU, it was always going to happen as the UK Government repaints it's 'red line'. What the Act does not do is provide any form of 'fix' for the UK fishing industry, because the aforementioned economic realities of the industry remain; UK fishermen catch most of their catch outside our waters, so the Act does nothing to support them, per se. Most of the catch inside UK waters is not economic within the UK, so the Act does nothing to help there, unless the Government is going to commence a propaganda campaign to alter the buying / eating habits of our populace. If we are actually going to boost the industry within our waters then the fishermen are going to need aid to re-equip their boats so that they can use the necessary techniques required, and be granted access to the foreign markets where the species caught have a ready market - hence an agreement with the EU is preferable to avoid tariffs. In such a scenario, a bit of 'give and take' is almost certain to be required. You cannot simnply blame Johnny Foreigner for all the complications resulting from the mis-managed transition since the referendum, both by the May regime and the current bunch of buffoons.

It's "insignificant" because statistically that is exactly what it is.

The bulk of the UK's catch is caught outside our 'territorial waters', which is why the agreements with Norway and Iceland are so important. The bulk of the catch inside is not commercial in the UK. As has been pointed out previously, the decline in the economies of fishing communities is not going to reverse simply because of Brexit; the facilities are no longer there, the crews are no longer there.

Correct.

Because legislation covering such a miniscule proportion of our economy pales so far into insignificance when compared to the disaster looming at midnight on December 31st if we cannot sort out our mutual intransigence with the EU.