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What’s wrong with our recent signings? They have been fine.

Not sure if “despised” is the right word but he certainly divided opinion and came in for some stick from some quarters. They were different types of player and whilst Wanyama was solid for us I think JWP has more in his locker.

I have no idea what your politics are but you seem to follow the usual suspects pack around (although you aren’t as joined at the hip as they seem to be).

Hi Delldays/Batman. You have been banned from this place twice yet here you still are. How is that? Anyway, as you and Badger seem to be getting upset about something I had no control over I am going to put the record straight. I deliberately started a separate thread about Incels as it wanted to keep it apart from the tragic murders in Plymouth as this new “cult” is worthy of a discussion away from this sad event. For reasons known only to themselves, a mod took my opening post, put it into this thread and closed my original thread. Had I posted in the Plymouth Killings thread I wouldn’t have made that tongue in cheek comment (funny how you right wingers lose your sense of humour when you see an opportunity to take the high ground and when it suits your agenda and suddenly discover some empathy for others). It seems as if you can make jibes and snide comments about liberal or left wing posters all day long but if you have a light hearted dig at the right wing posters you get grief. Oh well. If making an off the cuff comment about sad right wing involuntary celibates is the worse thing I have done this week, I can live with that. As for your comments Lighthouse, I don’t envy anyone having to moderate a football forum and I appreciate that it is a hard job, but you seem very selective about what you consider to be “tiresome”. I assume that it was you that closed my Incels thread and put my OP into this thread where it was no longer in context? You then have a pop at my quote from my post that you yourself had moved and placed into a different context. Thanks for that! I am not calling for anyone to be banned. What I would like to see is a clamp down on clear trolling, wind up merchants, and bullying by posters who gang up in others. Whatever you say about being even handed, right wing posters seem to get away with a lot more than liberal or left wing posters here and they certainly gang up on others more.

It was a tongue in cheek comment. Hence the winky thing. Why so touchy?

This seems perfectly reasonable to me. Not sure about the Howe part though. I don’t think that Ralph is a poor manager but he needs to be with a better, more intelligent squad than this.

Far too sensible mate. We want a meltdown and we want it now! You are absolutely right of course. We never win at Goodison and yes, we have a very tough start which it seems counts for nothing. We have an awful lot of work to do but then so do many other teams looking at the results over the weekend. Calling for the managers head every time we lose a match doesn’t help. I think we all know that we need a quality CB and until we get one we shall continue to leak goals.

No, I wonder why you don’t do anything about the trolls and the WUMs. You let a small group of people constantly jump all over posts that go against their agendas. Isn’t it time you sorted it out? For a site that charges money for membership it is very poorly regulated.

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/aug/15/incel-ideology-a-new-blurry-form-of-extremism-incubated-online

Probably the least surprising cabal on an Internet forum ever. They follow each other around and back each other up on threads which support their agendas. Not only is it very tiresome, it also makes this place an unpleasant read. A gang of bullies should not be tolerated but they get away with it day in day out. All that happens is that part of threads get moved to the Lounge or shut down. It’s about time the Mods took proper action.

Another looney cult to worry about. Involuntary celibate, far right fanatics. We may have some on here. 😉 The Internet can be a wonderful thing but when it brings people with deep issues together like this you have to wonder if greater controls are needed to monitor the darker side of the web and social media Should he have had his gun licence back? Clearly not. Should he have been in a programme to help him sort his life out. Clearly. How many more of these people are out there just waiting to completely lose the plot?

I had a lot of problems with the screen freezing with hesgoal last season and it did it again in the Brentford game tonight. When I log out and try and log back in again it takes ages. Am I doing something wrong? I have VPN but it always tries to sell me another one when I log in.

Dier a few years ago yes, but he is not the player he was. As for Chambers, I still can’t believe we got £16m for him. I don’t think he would walk into our side. I think he would just be a squad player if he came back. Hopefully we are looking for something better.

It’s almost worth getting a second mortgage out to buy him for £78m myself just to witness that! 😉

Romeu, Walcott and JWP have plenty of experience between them.

Yet another example of thread censorship when talking out against those who have a problem with those who speak out against racism.

Sadly I have just seen this odd post from an odd poster as it was quoted.Why would someone who doesn’t know me or anything about me write such childish nonsense? I wouldn’t normally bother to respond to his usual Wummery but as I have nothing better to do, here we go. For my first 10 years I lived a stone’s throw from Brixton. My infants class at school was mixed race and my best friend who lived opposite was black. All of the jobs I have had have involved working with BAME people. The guy who cuts my hair is a Muslim. The landlady until recently of the pub opposite to where I live has a mixed race family, all of whom I know. I could go on but I can’t be bothered.He really needs to grow up and stop talking bollocks.

It is absolutely staggering that a small amount of people can get themselves so worked up and spend so much of their lives posting against a few blokes briefly kneeling down or warming up in a garish shirt more so than they do about racial abuse or homophobia. Don’t these people have jobs or families or pets or constructive hobbies like painting. What do they have on their CVs under hobbies? Attacking anti racists and Pro LBGT on football forums? None of these people seem to have an ounce of empathy or the ability to put themselves into other people’s shoes. The way that a BAME poster was treated on a thread about racism was appalling. These people think they are being clever for being anti woke but as has been said before, they are part of the problem. There have been plenty of threads displaying staggering levels of ignorance and zero empathy but this one plumbs new depths. Strangely threads concerning capital and serious offences get closed down while those that give the anti woke brigade full reign are left to fester.

Which is absolutely fine and they are entitled to their opinion (even if they constantly repeat it when they have already made their point hundreds of times). It doesn’t alter the fact that those on the receiving end are more than entitled to demonstrate against racism in any lawful they choose and it doesn’t do any harm to let them get on with it without the constant criticism if that is what they want to do. Booing and criticising doesn’t help deal with the problem either. Supporting any stand against racism no matter what we think personally as unaffected white people is probably the least we can do.

So you don’t think that the stubbornness is on both side of the argument? Have we established that every premiership player has to kneel whether they want to or not? If so, why didn’t Zaha get the memo? I assume the players Union don’t have a problem with it. Wouldn’t they kick off if their member were forced to do something against their will? There has clearly been a decision made by PL clubs to carry on doing it. Instead of complaining on here to people who don’t give a damn, why don’t those who are against people kneeling for a couple of seconds take it up with the EPL?

I think the only people making tits of themselves are the ones who think they know better than those being abused.

You’ve not read supersonics posts or listen to other BAME’s people’s experiences then. Can you imagine who you would feel having people constantly picking on you because of your colour or religion. Hate crime figures are on the rise. I am used to the usual suspects playing down the problems of racism because they are ignorant and have nothing better to do with their times than attack people on social media who speak out against racism but to come along and say that the “reported examples of racism in this country seem to be largely confined to a few nasty social media posts” takes ignorance beyond the level of Turkish and hypo’s tiresome crusade against anti racists.

I’m not sure how a few blokes kneeling for a few seconds before a game of football can be seen as counter productive. It is hardly going to turn people into racists is it? And as we keep saying, the point is to keep the issue of racism to the fore. It is also hardly lecturing or preaching at people. It is not as if we have to deal with an hour long speech about the evils of racism before every game. For those who are kicking off at being “lectured to” about something that doesn’t apply to them, why not just look at your phone for those 15 seconds instead of getting yourselves wound up about it and let those who want to make their point about something that is very clearly a problem in this country make their point without adding to the problem. Whatever a non racist thinks of kneeling down for a couple of seconds, if people who are on the end of abuse want to do it as a form of protest, that is their right. If you can think of a better way perhaps go and talk to them about it instead of polluting a football forum with negativity every single bloody day.

So that encourages rape and murder too? If people have a problem with being told that racism is wrong, what would that tell you about that person. It might be obvious to most of us but clearly not all. We are lectured because there are people in society know need to be lectured. There are still people who text and drive, drink and drive or don’t wear seat belts. Should we stop telling them it is wrong just because it is a minority? People get lectured when there is a need. Just because it doesn’t apply to you and others doesn’t mean to say that there isn’t a need for it. This post will be followed by the usual gang of suspects who will try and find anything to discredit the campaigns to deal with racism. They are part of the reason the lecturing needs to continue. Don’t take a knee because it could make things worse. Seriously? God forgive that we should stir up the poor racists. Best not do anything about it and hope it blows over.

Exactly right. No one expects racists to change their attitude just because some professional footballers kneel down for a few seconds before a match, but the whole point of the exercise as you say is to keep the issue to the fore. To that end it is clearly working because we are still talking about it. Sadly some people want to muddy the water by either trying to pretend that it has Marxist undertones or diss it because it isn’t going to stop racists being racists. Of course it isn’t. But what it does demonstrate is that there is no room for racism here and it will not be tolerated. it wasn’t that long ago when the Maohetson report concluded that the Metropolitan police were “institutionally racist”. Some reports from BAME police officers say that they still receive racial abuse from their colleagues yet there are those who know better and play down the problem even when they are told that people are suffering this abuse on a regular basis. To tell BAME people that White Privilege does not exist is not only deeply insulting, but it is extremely ignorant. Some people will use it to their advantage, it is just human nature, but to pretend it doesn’t exist is clearly ridiculous. Taking the knee, the Kick It Out campaign, Hate Crime laws and all of the other measures against racial (and religious) intolerance will not stop it alone, but they are all are part of the push to show that racists and racist behaviour has no part in our society. It isn’t going to happen overnight and at some point Taking the Knee will have to be replaced with something else, but eventually we will get to the point where these morons will learn to keep their abhorrent opinions and attitudes to themselves. Future generations will hopefully grow up without casual racist comments in their homes and eventually we will reach the point where we don’t spend hours discussion it on Internet forms because it really will be a very small problem, which it clearly isn’t at the moment.