sadoldgit

Which is precisely why headlines like that one published from The Times the other day and the poll published by The Sun are unhelpful.

If he was bought as a main goal scorer then you have a point. But he wasn't so does it really matter? He does the job he was bought for.

There are eight words that you don't often see grouped together.

Quite, but there is a difference between recruiting a terror network and blabbing to people in your local community that you are a terrorist and are about to go to Paris or where ever to kill people isn't there?

There can be a huge gulf between knowing that something is imminent and knowing what that something is.

Yes Whelk I do realise it is The Times although I don't know what that has to do with anything. It seems to me to be a very weak story and I don't see the point of it, let alone the reason for putting it on the front page. There again it is the stable mate of The Sun so perhaps it is part of the NI agenda to demonise all Muslims As for uncovering secrets, if Batman is to be believed and terrorists go around talking openly of their next operations it doesn't look like discovering "secrets" would be that difficult! I'm sorry Whelk but I have no idea what you think "my world" is? You seem to think that come from another planet. I think most reasonable people reading that article could see that there is some level of intelligence being gleaned from those inside the world of Islam. To read their headline you would think that they are all holding out. It is also not unreasonable to point out that you have to have some information in the first place in order to disclose it or not and I suspect that very few Muslims in this country have any idea about future terror attacks. I could be wrong but I doubt very much if the guys in my local curry house, assuming they are Muslims, are privy to any plans by IS or any other terrorist faction about current or future planned attacks. As I said before, often when British Muslims are uncovered as terrorists or have gone to Syria to fight for IS their relatives and loved ones are quoted as saying they are shocked and had no idea that they had been radicalised. They could be lying of course but I don't agree with Batman that any sensible would be terrorist would go around broadcasting the fact and any that do, as you say, would be more likely to be identified and picked up by the intelligence services. Either through information given by the 300 or so tips from the Muslim community or through other means.

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Perhaps they don't. Makes you wonder how 9/11 ever happened.

Sorry I don't get your point. All I am saying is that if you were going to carry out a terrorist attack it probably isn't a good idea to broadcast the fact. I don't know for sure but I would imagine people often don't attend a mosque for reasons other than terrorist attacks.

I see. So if you are planning to massacre people in Paris you go round telling all and sundry of your plans beforehand? Seriously?

You think he was a good player for us? Forget the fee. Would you rather we kept him and got rid of Long?

Osvaldo was a good player for us? Seriously?

But he didn't cost £30m did he and if he did we would not have signed him.

On the up side when Yoshi makes mistakes like that we concede goals. At least he makes better quality mistakes.

Culling Christian foxes?

'Muslims "silent on terror."' Clearly not all of them if there have been around 300 community tip offs. Also, stating the obvious but it is not going to happen if people don't have any information to give up. Many of the friends and relatives of recent terrorists have said that they had no idea what they were involved in. If I were a terrorist the last thing I would do is to broadcast the fact to anyone not involved in my operations.

style

Does it matter? I doubt if we bought him as our main goal scoring option. He unsettles Premiership quality defences and that in itself is a major positive. Forget the price tag, it is well worth having this guy in the squad.

It isn't Shane Long's fault that we paid £12m for him but the club clearly felt he was worth it. Whatever you think of him as a player he puts in a shift and unsettles defenders. If we paid £8m for him would we be having the same debate? He did a brilliant job yesterday against the team many are tipping for the title. He offers us something different from the bench but has shown now that he deserves to start more games. Why would you want to sell him (and take a financial hit in the process)?

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van

Indeed. You could tell by the way he set himself that he knew what he was doing.

Worked a treat lads!!

Just enjoy the win Alpine and reflect on the fact that maybe we aren't completely rubbish after all

Koeman is rubbish. Martina is a pub footballer. Long is rubbish. Lets all dress up as clowns as a protest at the joke way the club is being run. At least this will shut up the bed wetters until the next defeat.