sadoldgit

And yet professional managers who see him in training day in day out have a different opinion. Go figure.

I am still looking back to find out who else is queueing up to leave. I have found something that says Sadio wants to stay but that isn't helpful. Who else have I missed?

Can you find my quotes where I have said that everything is rosy and the club can never do anything slightly below par? Show me the evidence and I will believe it. The trouble is the accusations about the club being mismanaged are very rarely, if ever, substantiated with anything to back them up. I'll give you an example, there are still some posters on here who peddle as a fact the reason that Toby didn't sign is because of the club's incompetence - this completely ignores the fact that the club tried to keep him and he decided to move elsewhere. But that doesn't sit nicely with the club being run like a second rate B & B does it, so the facts get airbrushed out of history and you can bet your mortgage this nonsense will be rolled out for years to come.

Okay then, who else has come out and said that they want to leave in recent weeks?

Perhaps he pooed himself a la Lineker? Oh well, some time reflecting in the stands might bring back his confidence, that or some incontinence pants! Seriously though, whatever is going on behind the scenes the club seem to be dealing with it as best they can. You really cant hold a gun to a players head and force him to play. Frankly, if the rumours are true and his is throwing his toys out of the pram I would keep him here until he has a year left of his contract and let him rot.

Ah damn, that is what happened when you have a lie in on a Sunday then. Who has gone today? (his quote included "at the moment")

I have absolutely no idea what is or isn't happening behind the scenes. I have had a serious dose of the sh*ts that only lasted one day. I also had a spasm in my colon that made me feel like I had been shot. I was perfectly fine the day before and perfectly fine the day after. He may or may not be angling for a move. It is more than possible that Koeman hasn't spoken to him. I would imagine that any communication is going on between his agent and whoever handles the players contracts etc. He may or may not go in this window. I am inclined to believe that the club are being straight when they say that no more players will be sold at this point. No matter how inept you think the club's management are, do you really think that they would let him go at this stage and without an adequate replacement? At some point Vic will be "better" enough to play unless he wants to sit out the season in the reserves.

How many others are lining up to leave?

Couldn't agree more. Next time someone shoves a microphone up his nose he should push it away and show off his skills with a half hour demonstration of keepy uppy!

Indeed. But we are run like a second rate seaside B&B dontcha know? (This is another joke Roger )

I was joking Roger.

Handled by whom? If you mean by his agent I agree with you. If you mean by the club then how so? They have clearly said they are not selling, what else are the supposed to do?

Take it as you wish, it wasn't meant as one. By the way Alpine said this move wasn't going to happen and we all know that he is always spot on, so don't hold your breath

Roger, you and Alpine have the attention span of a goldfish.

Indeed. once they approach the last year of their contracts, bye bye.

oxide

I am sure that the club realise that the fans want to see ambition and us "going for it." Cortese certainly peddled that fantasy and I think most of us realised that a fantasy was all it was at the level we were pitching it. Without the billions behind the super club we were never and are never going to be in that league. So the best we can aspire to is being The Best Of The Rest. Decent cups runs, playing attractive football and challenging for minor European football. This along with the majority of the other Premiership clubs. Most posters will remember the relegation years and the climb back up. I think I speak for all when I say we don't want that to happen again! The people who manage this club have made it clear that there is no free ride and the they have ambitions for the club but within a sustainable model - hence no huge wage bills and no massive bids. Again I think most of the level headed people on here get that and accept that we will lose some players and some of the replacements will not always be of the same quality - black box or no. Where it all goes wrong though comes down to those who seem completely unable to grasp reality. They seem desparate to believe the worst about the club (I am sure you can remember some of the shameful comments about KL last summer, the Wreck It Ralph comments etc. This goes back years, even before Rupert Lowe ( a true pantomime villain if ever there was one). The people who live in this parallel universe, and they are known here as Bed Wetters, seems to vanish like frost under the sun when things are going well, as they we a few games into last season. The minute we lose, sell a player, are linked with selling a player, buy a player who is cheap etc. out they come dragging their soiled sheets behind them preaching doom and gloom and the end of the world. Recently we have seen people butchered on their summer holidays and incinerated whilst watching an air show. These things are tragedies and things to get upset about. Football pails into insignificance when measured against such matters but you wouldn't know that by reading the Bed Wetters posts. Their world falls into complete disarray the moment something happens in the club that doesn't form a part of their world view. And boy, don't they let us know it. Facts go out of the window and negative assumptions are rife. Club history that doesn't fit in with their negative mindset is airbrushed from the past. Despite the fact that most things happen because of the input of more than one person and a complicated set of circumstances, scapegoats are found and prodded with pitchforks forever onwards. Even when people prove themselves as Les Reed did last year, they are not safe. Already the pitchforks are being readied and will be aimed in his direction the minute the transfer window closes if the Gods of the Angry Mob are not sated with a sacrificial signing that meets the Mobs exacting requirements. What makes sport so fascinating is that there are no givens. At any one time David can beat Goliath. Unfashionable clubs can become fashionable. So called big clubs can fail (imagine how Leeds fans must feel who were around in the 1970s). This means that there is a reasonable chance that things are not always going to go well. Most people on here can rationalise that. Some find it impossible to and come on here to vent their frustrations. That is understandable. What I find it difficult to comprehend is how these people find it virtually impossible to deal with their emotional turmoil without completely losing sight of a rational thought process. The amount of utter tripe that gets peddled as "fact" is mind boggling. Very few, if any of us, really knows what is going on beind the scenes but if The Daily Mail prints a story that says Vic wants to leave and is desperately unhappy here some with the negative mindset will instantly believe that and jump all over the management of the club making out that somehow this is their fault. Once again, we read that a previous CEO took a fortune out of this club with a shread of supporting evidence or any sign of that individual being pulled up for embezzlement. Lets not let the facts get in the way of a good hanging. These things get repeated often enough to become "written in stone" and in turn get trotted out on a regular basis when the Mob awaken from their stupor (which is brought on by a period of stability and good results - the daylight to their vampyric tendencies). There are many good debates to be had about how the club is run past and present but they rarely happen because there are some who can only see black and white and simply cannot accept that there are many shades of grey in between. Those are the people who cause a meltdown the minute that the club doesn't live up to their lofty expectations and who see losing (be it a match or a player in the transfer market) as something that shakes their whole world view. As the psychologist said in an episode of Fawlty Towers, there is enough material here for a whole conference!

I don't think we would have a problem selling him if we wanted to. I don't believe that we want to.

Chamberpot

Think about what you are saying. If he plays tomorrow but didn't play Wednesday what does that mean? If he doesn't play he could still be ill so that backs up what happened on Thursday. It wont reveal anything.

What part of he refused a new contract and decided to go where he would get more game time don't you get?

lord

I used to think that one of these days you would grow up and we could have a serious debate about this. Clearly it isn't going to happen. You seem totally incapable of grasping the concept of dealing with a situation without applying the Alpine Knee Jerk reactive response and prose. Messiah? Really? You need to grow up. When you have some spare time when you are not howling at the moon, please feel free to explain how I am using the current strife to push my Lowe agenda. To my (perhaps deluded) mind I was simply responding to a post that peddled the same old tired clichés without backing them up with any evidence. Something you do on a daily basis I should add.

Far too sensible!

£16m for Chambers! I can't think of many teams who wouldn't have gone for that