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To be fair I don't think him going made any difference to the likes of Lallana and Lovren etc bailing out. The worship is because the guy is a quality player and proved that you don't have to play for a big club to get a game for England.

Clyne has already shown more for England than Chambers no matter CL experience or not. Chambers will have to up his game big time if he wants back in.

Although it hasn't worked out, he can always say that he played for Liverpool and I hope they paid him a fair wack.

She said she had no recollection of what happened so that includes no recollection of consenting to either of them. Just because she was able to perform oral (she was also able to walk) it doesn't mean to say she was in control of what she was doing. I know what you are saying about the other guy but can only assume that the jury figured that because she had spent more time with the other guy and had travelled to the hotel with him that was enough for them to consider that she was up for it with him. As I have said before, I think he is very lucky not to have been convicted himself.

If her drink was spiked it could have happened earlier in the evening. Even if not she was by evidence of CCTV footage clearly out of it and I agree with what you say about Evans taking advantage.

I don't know and think he has been very lucky. I can only assume that the jury felt because she had spent more time with him and went to the hotel with him that amounted to consent?

Agreed. Arsenal's defence has been very poor this season and much of this down to Chambers.

What do you do? Lock yourself away? She says she thinks her drink was spiked. Hard to prove either way. I don't know what happened previously but on this occasion she says she has no recollection of what happened and did not accuse anyone of raping her. What about Evans? He walks in, nails someone he has never met before when she was very clearly intoxicated then walks out again. Don't you think he left himself in a vulnerable position??? You seem to be firmly in the camp of if you go out and get hammered you deserve whatever happens to you?

Good point!!!

Ricardo Fuller.

Kelvin Davis has taken more than his fair share over the years. But what about the players who got away with it? Terry Hurlock was awful but I don't remember him getting stick and of course the legend that is Frannie Benali was very poor for most of his career (although he did improve towards the end of his career).

True but he isn't the only one who hasn't played so well for England - a team we should remember that has done nothing since 1966.

Isnt that what the players pay their agents for? He may well of had a word but I assume they have minds of their own and we know from Lovren that his was already in Merseyside. I also seem to remember a certain Michael Channon "tapping up" Kevin Keegan when they were room mates for England.

Chambers may well become a good player one day and maybe he has been thrown in at the deep end too soon at Arsenal, but from what I have seen so far this season I can see why we took the £16m and ran. What with Lovren as well both very good bits of business.

It is simple, the guy has been one of the best English Premiership players ever. England have been poor for some time now, even with England's other sweetheart David Beckham. To blame Gerrard for a poor England is harsh (and who will ever forget the 1-5 thrashing of Germany?).

City haven't done to bad out of the Lampard move have they. It would be awesome having a player like Gerrard at the club. Not only would it be a boost to the academy players coming though it would give more options from the bench. Not that it will happen of course.

Not sure if he has done well out of this as a person. He will always be known as a rapist and football fans are not quick to forget or forgive (even if he eventually clears his name).

Not sure what that has to do with this case. As I recall she didn't accuse anyone of rape. And this doesn't exclude her of having been raped before.

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Doesn't mean that he hasn't been a quality player though.

I have seen Lambert miss plenty of chances. He is doing a tough job and it part of the reason, along with Forster and all the others, why we are doing well. As others have said, if he was "excellent" not only would he cost more money he would also be playing for another team.

To me this is one of Eastwood's best ever movies. Not only not what you would expect from him but an excellent movie all round.

Does that mean that have sold an extra shirt?

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/resources/images/3459487.jpg?type=article-full Apparently she liked the flowers but not the Bovril!