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Thanks for that Trousers. So Sainsburys "raise" money for the BL. So they could continue to raise money but could have also given the cost of the ad to the BL as well. AS has been said before, are people going to go to Sainsburys and not Tescos now just because of this ad? We tend to go to our local supermarket don't we? I prefer Sainsburys to Tescos but Tescos is closer so that is where I do most of my shopping. At Christmas every supermarket I have ever been in is rammed full of customers. Instead of going to so much trouble a short ad saying get your Xmas goodies at Sainsburys and we are giving money to the BL would have worked just as well and the BL would have been even more quids in. I love the John Lewis ad by the way but hate the way that it is played constantly when you are in the store. Talk about overkill. I was sick of the music and the ad well before Christmas last year and I'm sure I'll feel the same this year.

I remember thinking after Live Aid how much more money they could have raised at the time if they sold videos (no DVDs at the time) of the event but Geldof said that he wanted it to be like a shooting star (or something) that was there and then gone. So much for being about just raising as much money as possible and saving lives. The first Band Aid effort meant a lot because it was spontaneous and in some ways wonderfully naïve. A group of pop stars feeding the world. Now it is as tired and hackneyed as Bob Geldof who seems to think his time is more important than paying taxes. Sir Bob has been a very lucky boy. His pop career was already virtually over when he came up with Band Aid and that has kept him going ever since - shame he hasn't learned to be any less obnoxious since. Give us your effing money worked in the 80s, now I just want to say give them YOUR effing money now matey! His treatment of Adele is appalling by the way.

I don't know how much money Sainsburys are donating to the British Legion (is it just the proceeds from the chocolate bars?) but suspect that the ad was very expensive. Couldn't they have just given that money to the BL?

And probably no let up on Christmas Day for the poor little critters!!!

Coming from you Mr Fry I take that as a huge compliment!

Yep you are right. While we are about it, why not an ad for British Gas shot from Auschwitz? Personally I don't think that war should be used to sell goods at Christmas but I guess I am just an old fashioned dude.

So "Christmas is for sharing." On Christmas Day the soldiers shared a football match and a chocolate bar. The day after they shared bayonets, bullets, grenades and shells and spilt their guts over the football pitch. Nice.

Having now seen the advert frankly I can see why. I lost both grandfathers as a result of a war that was an all time low, even for the human race. I find it distasteful that it is being used to sell Sainsburys to us over Christmas. Nothing like a good war to get us in the Christmas spirit! Apparently some of the soldiers who stood up on the parapets on Christmas Day were shot but it would have spoiled the ad a tad if they had shown the truth I suppose.

I agree that it is an imperfect world. I also think we have a pretty robust justice system which although not perfect (none of them are) is good. As I have said before, the complainant has had to convince the police, the CPS and the jury of her case. Any appeal will consider the case just as the police, the CPS and the jury already have. If the decision is found to be safe will you finally accept that "Ched" is guilty of rape?

So are you saying that we must treat everyone who is found guilty as possibly innocent. If people are innocent there are appeal systems. If a guilty verdict is not proof of guilt why have a system like ours anyway because according to your argument, if they keep saying they are innocent then we cant accept they are guilty.

I agree 100% with this and that is the problem we face because many others would think the same way as Evans. Despite it being 2014 there still seems a perception in some quarters that women are fair game if they are incapacitated by drink/drugs.

Maybe. It was the way you put it.

What is your point? Just because this time it is Man City and not Tottenham it has more clout? What about the other dozens of transfer rumours? All going to happen? Have they made a bid? If not, worry about if and when they do.

Rooney has made the point himself, to be a "great" you have to produce the goods. That is you have to win a major trophy.

No.

Technically it is.

They got drunk. Just how drunk was she?

Rape is rape but there are degrees of sentencing that should reflect the severity of the rape. Consent is key. No consent, leave well alone no matter what has gone on before. We have had a successful rape prosecution involving a prostitute. Things are changing gradually but as this thread shows, there are still people who think that it is okay to f*ck someone even if they are not in control.

Not at all sure what the Great War has to do with a supermarket? Nevertheless, good piece in the Guardian a few days ago saying although the ad is beautifully shot and produced, it was sanitised. No blood, guts or sh*t all over the place and thus was "selling" a lie. Personally I think any mention of Christmas should be banned until December.

Ok for what it is worth I wouldn't want this guy playing for SFC.

I think it does. There are some on here who seem to think that he is innocent. Whatever anyone thinks of the verdict, he is still guilty of rape as things stand.

What I think doesn't matter does it? I am not going to stop going to their games. I am not going to stop buying replica shirts. It would just be my opinion.

It is an interesting case I agree. In any failed prosecution the Crown Advocate has to give reasons why and I would love to know why he thought Evans mate got off. I'd also love to read the case file as they always contain far more information that reach the papers.

What do you mean? You want to know exactly what the legal definition of rape is? And why do you get so arsey to people in your posts? You come across as a very angry person.

This point can be argued all day long but at the end of the day the only people who can make that call are his current employers or any future employers. Evans hasn't covered himself in glory since his release but that should not be the issue. He is free to work again but do people want someone like him working for them? That is their choice.