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I read the case files ever day. Come and talk to our lawyers. You start from the assumption that people who break into your home are intent on doing you harm. They are not, they just want to steal things from you. That is not an offence punishable by death.

Its got nothing to do with shouting. It comes back to using reasonable force. LIke it or not, if you stab someone to death the court is going to take some convincing that is reasonable. You need to justify taking a life compared to taking a telly.

Blimey, reading some of the stuff on here I must be missing something. It seems it is wonderful working in the public sector. Makes me wonder why half of my staff applied for the early exit scheme recently.

When I saw Simon Charlton walking along the touchline at Selhurst Park I thought he was one of the ball boys.

Really, go look at the records and see how many burglaries end with violence between the two parties. The last thing they want is to get nicked and most are more scared than the people they are robbing.

I think the point is that you call the police immediately, not after a long discussion with him! To give you some idea of where you stand legally - burglary is an either way offence. This means that the case can be heard in either the Magistrates Court or the Crown Court depending on the seriousness of the case or if the defendant elects for a Crown Court trial. Manslaughter or muder are indictable only offences, that is they are offences that can only be heard in the Crown Court because of the serious nature of the offences and the greater sentencing power of the court for guilty verdicts.

You could equally have said that Coldplay aren't my thing and didn't enjoy them but I did enjoy so and so. But your statement was a bit heavy wasn't it? Still, no point in arguing and I am sorry if I overreacted to your post Teamsaint.

Anyone who becomes successful (in the country at least) immediately becomes "uncool." This is the John Peel School of Coolness where you have to find a rubbish band who no one has heard of and have made one good record. You must then champion their cause to all who will listen even though you probaly don't listen to it yourself. Thing is music it totally subjective. How to you decide which band/arist is better than another? Record sales are one yardstick but if you really don't like a band like Coldplay for example, the fact they shift shedloads of CDs isn't going to make one iota of difference. If you follow a band because they are cool and not nerdy I would suggest that you are doing so for the wrong reason. I have just started listening to Mumford & Sons and Fleet Foxes. A couple of years ago I wouldn't have touched them with a barge pole. I am not soing so because someone says they are cool. I saw Mumford & Sons on the TV and liked them and I found a Fleet Foxes CD lying around at work, shoved it in the PC and liked it. Years ago my mate was crazy about Neil Young. At the time I was very into English Prog, Yes, ELP, Genesis and couldn't get my head around that American whine. Now I love Neil Young. (By the way, for the younger members of this thread Prog was huge in this country in the early 70s despite being very "uncool.") If you like something go with it if you don't, don't.

By the way, if this was a discussion you wouldn't have just come out with this crass statement, you would have expanded on why you think Coldplay are boring etc. But instead you just make a statment as though it is wriiten in stone somewhere. Perhaps you should have started with "In my opinion"... By the way, I have the last Go Team CD. It is missing something. Perhaps Chris Martin could write them a ballard

Happy to oblige. If you had posted that you had just watched a concert by Band X and I didn't care for Band X I would have thought fair play, not my cup of tea but so what. I wouldn't have then joined the thread and had a pop at Band X. I am sure millions of people think Coldplay are rubbish but I had just seen their concert and thought it was great. Silly me for saying so because it then means that it becomes a "cool" competion. Oh, someone likes Coldplay, lets have a dig. If I had come on saying I thought that Coldplay were the best band in the world then fine, lets have a "discussion." I didn't, I said I just saw the concert and thought it was the mutts nuts. Stupid of me I know but there you go...

No it isn't. I spoke to one of our lawyers today for clarification. For years the law has made provision for protection of your person or property. You are allowed to defend yourself using "reasonable force." Causing the death of another person immediately puts you at risk of a serious charge, including murder. As I keep saying, you can stop them being a threat by calling the police. Most of them will leg it anyway, unless they have been unluckly enough to stumble into your abode, in which case....

It is not difficult. A burgler is someone who breaks into your home to steal something. I imagine if someone wanted to kill you they could do that anywhere, not just in your home. Burglers are called burglers because they burgle. You are confusing them with murderers.

How may burglers actually commit murder?

Perhaps the players should take some of the blame? And you can say Burely did a poor job but the fact reamins that at the point he left he was the best performing manager in terms of points per games that we had had.

I am a civil servant but I won't be striking on Thursday. Not because I don't agree with the sentiment but I don't agree with strikes. I also think it is not unreasonable to change the pension structure for new starters given the state of the economy. But to change it now for people who have been working (mostly on below average wages) for the public secor for years is just plan wrong.

And Pearson came with a whisker of taking us down. When Burley left we were closer the the play offs than relegation.

How Burley is seen as a poorer manager than Branfoot is beyond a joke - and Redknapp for that matter. I can't understand for one minute why certain posters on here seem to actually believe that Burley deserves more flak that the other two.

In your opinion. So what. A lot of people seemed to like their show and have a completely different view to you. You don't have to listen to them or watch them. I am sure there are people out there who will think the music you like is everything that is wrong with rock and roll too. Personally I like them and thought they put on a great show. I just don't understand why people have to p*ss on other people's taste. Trust me, it doesn't make you a better person.

Do you really think that is the case? People buy what they like. If something is "out there" it will get heard and if people like it they wil buy it. I don'tt hink anyone is stupid enough to buy a record just because Cowell likes it. Biffy Clyro probably won't be complaining that their bank balance swelled becasue their track got a lot of extra exposure due to X Factor. That is not down to Cowell though, it is down to the fact that the track got enormous exposure. And people liked it. I saw mumford & sons at Glastobury (nothing to do with Cowell) liked their music and bought their CD. Apparently loads of people went into my HMV yesterday after their CD. That is the way it works. You hear something you like, you buy it. There a loads of people like Cowell who make decsions about what gets exposure.

And this is the issue with football. If putting a team together was easy there wouldn't be such a large gap between top and bottom. There are very few managers who put decent teams togther consitently. Lawrie Mac did well for us but his formula didn't work at Sunderland.

He actually signed a centre half who went on to be our player of the season. He also had Bale, Baird and Jones sold from underneath him. Arguably our three best players at the time. Hardly his fault.

Scrapped? We we easily a top 6 side that season and but for a coupe of stupid mistakes by players would have made the play off final. Look at Huddersfield this season. Don't you think their fans are wondering how on earth they didn't go up. Look at Chelsea every year wondering why they they have yet to win the Eurpean Champuons league. Does it mean their managers have all been crap? Yes Burley could have done better. But if you want to go down that road perhaps Adkins should have finish top with the resouces at his disposal and the almight Harry Redknapp should have kept us up. Things don't always work out in football. It doesn't mean that the manager in question was "crap" though. He had a decent points per game ration for us. If he had been crap that wouldn't be so but you have got in in for him, just as you had it in for Pardew. Still, it is all about opinions.

He is playing in the Premiership so I guess that makes him a Premiership clas striker. You think Burely was crap. I don't. We are never going to agree on that one are we? He managed to get us into the paly offs - something that Redknapp didn't show any sign of doing before he bailed.

Huddersfield were also good enough to go straight up but they didn't. At least he got us winning football matches again. Skacel might have had one good season at Hearts but many players would love to have a season like that. He wasn't poor for us but granted didn't deliver. Was that Burley's fault. As for Jones, do you know that for a fact or is it just because he decided that Burely was rubbish?

Most of them will not want to be caught so will run. Obvioulsy if cornered or caught some may fight back. There are (mercifully) very few incidents of death or GBH through break in incidents. Part of the problem happens when the householder wants to dish out a hiding to the person who has broekn in. If I fight or struggle ensures then the other person is probably going to defend themselves and then who knows what might happen? The police advice is to call them immediately but not to get involved. If the person or people who have broken in are aggressive then of course you would need to deal with the situation differently but you would need to show that you used reasonable force to defend yourself.