OldNick

MOG, the JPT was last season and so the charter should have been current then. The £3 booking fee pre ticket was not fan friedly. Personally Im getting on with it, the club needs money to pay for better players and so we all have to contribute a bit

You are right, I mentioned the fans charter some time ago. The whole JPT thing was a rip off, charging a booking fee per ticket was the worst IMO.....of course our own fans were doing the same Silverspoon lol

May I add that the coach operators knew that the coaches would be in short supply and lift their rates. I do agree though that the club may have got a profit. They are a business and so why not?

it is isnt a case of I'll give 10 reasons so you give 10 reasons why not. As a s/t holder I pay for 23 games, of which due to various committments I can't make perhaps 5-6. The club realise that really Iam paying more per game than if I bought weekly as I may only attend 16/17/18. Also I will go if we are not winning every game. If they dont sell me a s/t they know I may not go if we are not winning. So therefore these business minded people realsie that the S?T holders are important and I believe will not jeopodise that. Again I agree the renewals not sent out is an odd one, but I dont see the conspiracy here.

There is one thing that tells me that the club are not trying to get S/ts stopped. If they wanted to get rid, I doubt they'd have given such a discount if you buy before a certain time. I do agree that the renewal forms should have been sent by post, but the club may send a reminder, with say 10 days to go to people who have not renewed.That would save costs but target the fans who were not renewing. I may be proved wrong but I dont think the club wish to upset the S/t fan base.

it didnt effect them until last night.

no we should play Rooney up front in a lone role , like he does for Man u with wingers and midfielders breaking into the box

DD, I only blame the people I dont rate. 'it's all your fault'.....only kidding

I think Beckenbauer's comments about kick and rush really hit the spot and the players tried to play an alien game. As for not qualkifying for Euro 2008 , luckily we got rid of all those players.........ohh

it is football fan disease, even Capello is now getting flak

there might be an insurance you could take out in case there was a problem. Like Tractor I dont think I will try it but if you read the Citywire piece the loophole was there to help the Islamic church and the banks wanted this to be albe to lend them money.

what players were sold on the cheap and replaced by others?

i didn't realise until this week there is a loop hole that you can legally avoid stamp duty. The solicitors involved are not interested unless the transaction is over 500k. They save the buyer 50% and pocket the rest. It seems too good to be true but i have read a couple of articles about it. Google, avoiding stamp duty and you will get the background to it. You may have to register with Citywire to read the best article on it. Another loss of revenue to the treasury, and if legally you can do so why not?

Fair comment. i abhor those credit companies who know that they can rip people off as they are a credit risk. never will they escape it , very sad and is not what capitalism is about IMo

A tad harsh Tim, but after your comment calling me a goon not getting into shares a few weeks ago I realise it may be your normal manner

That's fine if the majority are unhappy but frankly I believe the majority feel it is a mountain out of a molehill. The football club have no responsibility to offer installment plans and have obviously found it onerous to do so. I believe that the majority of people are bright enough to go and get credit if needed and don't need to pay extortionate rates to do so. Im sure there will be many other causes in the future if the clubs response to Stu is anything to go by. Iam amazed at the message they sent and is totally out of line with their normal stuff. To be fair telling him to 'F### off, and mind your own business' can never be done nicely but they could have been a tad softer.

Stu I dont think the club are lying. They dont want a debate as a decision is made and so wish to move on. I know you have taken a lot of time but whatever you say or how you set it out the club will have costs. Whether it be paying the third party a commission on sales or trying to stop people who have defaulted not using the S/T. Again all bad publicity for them in a no win situation. If a fan has a bad credit history and can't get a loan elsewhere, are the club expected to cough up when it is not their fault? I have every sympathy with people who cannot afford to buy a ticket in one go, and the installment plan must have helped many people, but I suggest that a fair percentage took the p### and the club were left chasing shadows. I dont condone the reply you got from the club, and feel they could have worded it more kindly, but it was firm in respect that it left no doubt that they will not get involved in a debate. You will not reply and so they can now move onto the next problem.

Defoe on his own up front!!!!!! behave , he relies on flick ons and scraps he cant trun the line as Rooney can. Play Rooney where he can actually do some dmage like he does for Man u then you will see a different player. Lampard and Gerrard, surely we have tried that enough and one takes from the other. Cole can graft in Lampards place and play 2 wingers to frighten them with pace.

The manager does have an inpact after the game kicks off but only with subs and half time team talk. The players out there are supposedly the cream of English football. They swan around earning 90k a week and haven't the brain or where with all to take a game by the scruff of the neck. It is nearly universal that Lampard and Gerrard do not gel and so ,Lampard shoudl go as he is not the captain and Gerrard does have move drive. To not qualify from that group would be disgraceful, it is time they stood up and be counted.

it looks as though NC and Ml honeymoon period is over. Take a pop at one of them and you are doing it to both. ML has supreme faith in NC and I suspect will take it badly if his chosen representative is getting flak. I agree that Stu has not got a reasoned response, although the club must get loads of 'helpful ideas' I have always thought that all football clubs look on the fans as mugs, they might say they dont but realistically we are suckers waiting to be fleeced. Example, the wife goes out and buys my daughters something , i get home 'What the f### are you spending that on them for' Thursday wife goes to megastore buys both daughters shirts £70 out the door, I come home 'They are great , did you get yourself one'

Quite agree, for too long we have tried to play our so called best players at all costs at the detriment of the team. Go back to when Ramsey won the WC and he didnt play Greaves, who was the best goal scorer in the day. Can you imagine the media and fans outcry now if a manager tried to do that now? The media focus was nothing like it is now. We have to grasp the nettle and play Gerrard in his best role, Rooney in his and the rest may fall into place.You can see Gerrard and Rooney think as one, wheras Lampard!!!!!

go for bust .Go and make the world sit up. Sadly Capello's lack of good english will not be aqble to stir the team, at moments like that it is what the players need. You cant do it every game but there is always a time, and that is before the Slovenia game

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should be in acid

Lampard and Gerrard just dont play together.A decision has to be made which one has to be dropped. Gerrard for me is the best of the 2 and when he was more in the middle he clicked with Rooney. Play Rooney as he does for Manu as a lone striker and then use the pace on the wings with midfielders coming on supporting. Barry is a plodder and whilst we need a defensive midfielder his touch and slow control stops any momentum going forward.I dont know who else we have in the squad who can do his job.