OldNick

No your previous opinion was not accurate but badly judged. If you went back to the start of last season he was on many occasions the motm. He was the victim of fans not giving him a fair chance as they listened too much to a load of Sunderland fans who were smarting from a humiliating relegation season.Yes he came with his confidence dented but still made some crucial saves that earnt us lots of points last season.This season he has been appreciated more and that has helped his game even further.DMG will in time also win fans over, and as David in Sweden says lets hope it is our shirt.

Well being a dimbo I would have realised that the farm track was existing and not a new build and so the rules put down would be different and so may have won the day.If I was designing a new build and didnt follow the league regulations or the planning departments wishes i may not get a game of football played, foolish of me but there you go.

No, but he was a lot of time upfront earlier in the season. I accept that I was wrong about Saga and he has done well but at the same token fans ought to also see that DMG has had a tough time playing up front alone and has done his best to get goals throughout. I think a large section of fans have been very unfair on him, and still can't accept it. Thank god KD had the guts to show all the doubters what they couldn't see, the amount of fans who were pleading to allow Bart to play as he was seen to be our No 1 and i hope DMG will also show fans how bigotted they were in their criticism.

I would suggest that when they left power in 1997 that the rules that the BOE was regulating the industry would not have been taken away like Blair and brown did as soon as they came to power.To let the bankers self regulate was a nonsense.

The sack of ###t whose goal got us a point at Blackpool and 3 points against Cardiff in the last few weeks.

Staying up would show any persons who the club are in debt to that more income was likely to be coming in.The pot for tv money whilst still small is increasing and also the S/T revenue will of course be higher. Not massive amounts of money but enough perhaps to make them a little more patient.I myself know in business that certain debtors are having trouble paying at present but as long as I have confidence that they will still be here in a years time I will not push so hard. Our CCC survival may well help in that for the club.As soon as it looks lost then the rug may well be pulled. Only IMO of course, I drad the day i hear that we have gone onto administration and the people who are gagging for it as a quick fix will see what a long term disaster it will be.It will be the death knell of us ever getting ack into the big time i believe.

Do you really think that we are talking about an incident being little Tommy has fallen over and scratched his arm. If you are an architect and asked to draw up plans for a large public facility i will queue to have look it, Im sure it will be very educational. I can imagine the planners when you tell them 'Dont worry about evacuation of the injured as the league rules mean nothing and as for your health and safety , forget them they know nothing.' We will form a queue of fans with buckets to quell any fire, the injured will be passed over the heads of the crowd and my mate Bob once was a cleaner at the St Johns ambulance brigade and still has a roll of bandages in his locker.' 'But Mr Victor remember the Valley Parade disaster where the emergency services couldnt get in.' 'Oh stuff and nonsense,the fans just weren't as stoic as they at SMS. if they are right up to the pitch it is less far to chuck them for the blankets that are used as stretchers will come into play.' 'but what about the league regulations that say the pitch is not to be any closer than 2.25m on new stadia and if we don't adhere to the rules we may well not be allowed to enter the league.' 'Won't happen we are SFC nobody would dare ban us.' Of course it is not how you would put it but if you really think a game of football would carry on when an ambulance is required to get to an incident I'd be amazed. The stands were built as they were for good reason, and the club as far as Im still aware did not lie.

MC has told you that there is investment if RL is not there. So why wasnt there any under her time in the last 2 decades? Why didnt it appear when RL had been deposed? Forget not that the Wilde bunch came in on the back of all the investors they had lined up. The SISU deal as far as Im aware did not go ahead because they would not answer questions put to them by RL LC and MW.

That is the quadary the club faces.I have not heard that things have become any more serious recently than they have been for a couple of seasons.To stay up would be the key, it is roulette wheel time.If RL really believes in Wottes ability to stay up i doubt he will push the button, if our creditors do they will be looking for a massive drop in theior return of funds and so it is only the bank who may do something.I expect they like to a lot of businesses they are not increasing overdrafts or even cutting them. it is now brinkmanship and judgement. RL is not a great CEO but I myself believe he is better equipped than many to get us out of it. LC being a fan may not have taken the right route and kept the high wage earners as he would want to have kept the playing side in better shape. This season IMo was only ever about staying up, at present that is looking difficult.

i agree LC did have backing from the bank as long as he sold everything that moved. It is so funny that you put Wilde and Lowe together during the whole last 3 seasons. It was LC who was the power broker and he installed the Wilde bunch to power. RL did not spend the 12 m and i suggest he would have reigned GB in and I expect LC would have also. The Bunch came in on football first and so spent and tried to appease the fans. I wanted RL gone but not for any alternative as i could see and like others warned of the consequences whicjh may i say was one of the things being faced by us now. I love the bit where you say Corbett and LC begged the board not to buy, that is another lol. LC said he had not got the Walcott money paid up early and then it came out he had. He installed G&D and saved himself by the skin of his teeth with NP (only 20 mijutes from safety though) and then did not get NP signed up longer. i understand why he didnt but as he is such a gods on here perhaps fans should point the finger at him for that. You have not put facts but guesses and as for your statement that RL and MW are not looking for investment i can tell you 100% with certainty that is not true.

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pfc123 you come on here in an unconfrontational way and so i will answer you as i see it. The big difference when you did itto us is that the league sanctions were not in place. if you had incurred a 10-17 point penalty you would have been relegated first season and so would be in the wilderness and Manadaric would not have bought you knowing that you were not a viable proposition. The people out there would not be interested in buying a lcub that was in L1 and -10 + points IMO

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From your perspective not from mine, i knew that some may put that as i wrote.In fact i could turn the same back to you as i believe we would be in administration already if RL had noit returned.That is opinion, but having the finances to buy bit wait for disaster before saving the club is not the type of fan Io wnat running our club thankyou

League regulations or law are binding if you wish to enter the league. Therefore it is the laws put down by them which would have to be followed.It would be foolish not to abide by them. Also the local authority have their own stipulations regarding giving planning approval. You have alluded that the club lied and so being in the 'trade' it is easy for you to show where the club did so by reading the planning that was required in getting the permissions and pointing out to us 'who know nothing 'where they did so. Its very easy for you to say that believing what the club or officers who should know were lying to fob us off and then not give fair reasons why. Your point about the width needed for fire engines perhaps reinforces the case that the club were not lying as I expect the gap between the stand and the emergency vehicle access is wide down both sides of the ground. You have not addressed any of the matters but just tried to cover your initial post with waffle. Come back and show where the club lied. I fully expect if you read the planning you would see that is why the track is so wide.

I thought people had come to terms that jacksons farm is not worht that much , especially now. The land around SMS is worth what? To get it they will have to take on debts of quite a large amount. I cannot see how so called fans would suit back and wait for the club to be relegatd or having a 10 point penalty before moving.I myself couldnt sit on my hands and wait as i watched the club go into freefall just to buy it cheaper.If so i question if theior motives are any better than hwat we already have.

Well if we get the same points in the last 7 games as we have in the previous 7 games i would increase our chances to 85-90% of survival.

I do hope they increase your medication as it is long overdue, a lethal dosage may not go amiss

You will eat your words in time IMO

So just a change of deckchairs, only a cosmetic change. I still believe we have have a 75% chance of staying up. Surely we should hope that RL is here next season, the only reason for that being we did win the fight against relegation.

But even those dont have the same feeling as watching the Big Match on a sunday afternoon 20 years ago.No doubt the football was slower but it had an edge that modern football has lost.There are a number of things that have made it so boring, wall to wall football on tv has contributed.Seeing players earn 50k a week and they cant pass a ball more than 3 yards, their demi godstatus and losing connection with the fans.The pitches being like bowling greens have made it quicker but those games on muddy pitches had a different feel to them.All seater stadia also has dulled the feel of a game, and of course time has blunted the enthusiasm.

The laws/ regulations of the leagues dont count then. You design stadiums and then cant play in the leagues when they are built then as they contravein the rules Lol. Even an architect would know that if you don't adhere to the rules you wont be able to use the facility. I would expect you would use the regulations before drwing up any plans or do you just steamroller through and not worry about such things? You also didn't answer the question regarding it being more cost effective to keep the stadium running in one rather than seperate stands. Also the local planners would have their say in the health and safety issue regarding ground evacuation. You are the architech and so would be able to access the rules/regulations for SMS easier than myself as i wouldn't know where to look. You will also be able then to show me where the club lied to fools like me.

the latter end I would suggest and perhaps a lot more. A company Iknow had his stock put into auction and not only did he have to pay the auctions full charges but the administrator put on 15% as well!

Yep Chewton Glens champagne is very dear, all reclaimable as well against any company the administrator is overseeing.

Duncan knows a lot of people at the club there is no doubt of that, but it doesnt mean that the info he has been supplied with is correct. I know that the info that the IR have been paid up would be correct.