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Above is only part of Derry's post but I can vouch for what he says.

Forget the people. The Trust registered as an Industrial and Provident Society with the Registrar of Friendly Societies. As such all its actions and conduct will be regulated by the Financial Services Authority under the provisions of the Industrial and Provident Societies Acts, 1965 - 1978. This will be the vehicle, should it be necessary. The likelyhood is that new democratic elections would be held and many new faces put forward to revive the credability, communication and proactivity of the Trust. But let us hope it is not necessary

He is cheap at £100,000 a year but tactically naive when it comes to English football. I am hearing rumours (not directly from players or their families I must emphasise) that many of the players are getting fed up with his diamond system and how they are supposed to play it. That fits with what we are now seeing on the pitch during games...clueless and vunerable to wide attacking opposition players. Midfield left and right in the diamond being isolated and kept out of the game by the long ball! May be that is why Lallana is not developing, and goood players like Surman and Schneiderlin look poor when they are put into those positions. What is worse, he does not seem to have learned from the poor performances. New owner must mean new Manager (not a coach) in my opinion

MLT was a wonderful player and a great football pundit but sometimes, like us, he wanders into arears where he is only getting one side and that can lead to bias interpretation. I am all for Matt leading the charge for support of the football club but he should not get into the blame game without having an ear of both sides of the argument. That, in my opinion, is what 19C was trying to say. As for Leon Crouch, without him at this testing time we might not have got as far as the Burnley game as a club. It was as fine as that. Leon Crouch is helping prop up this football club at present. A true supporter. And those that know me well know I do not heap praise on Leon easily

If we are still about next season (the vibes I am getting are that we will find a buyer) the club needs to get back to living within its means. Anyone who thinks season tickets at £250 or match tickets at £15 are going to be disappointed. I suspect season ticket price around £400 (before any concessions) and match tickets (again before concessions) at £20 and £22 depending on your seat.

See my edit

As I read it he is leaving immediately. Assume we can call Lumb in to replace him mid match? Edit, yes Lumb in the 11 now http://www.rosebowlplc.com/news/marcus_north_called_up_to_australian_odi_squad/

Have you met Nick illingsworth and talked to him about Saints? He is a decent bloke who only wants what is best for Saints. I know of some who shared your view but then when they met him on personal level changed their views.

I am sure Derry will make sure they understand that at the meeting.

Then I no longer wish to be involved Dave. That was not our original plan.

Well done, you just sit there and criticise supporters who are giving up there time to try to see this club has a future.

If it as anything but that I would not have put my name to it. If the meeting tomorrow moves away from this idea in any shape or form I will be withdrawing my support.

Well you have set out your position well. I will not be there tomorrow. I have other commitments but yes Stu, I was asked by Derry to give him some support. IF, this is the only way left in the event of no bids and it is succesful I will not be part of any group running the club. I have enough to keep me busy.

I think many of you have missed the point. This initiative is not an alternative to a bid from another party, it is a last ditch back up if no bids are made to save Southampton Football Club. It is a case of drawing all active parties together and pooling ideas, experience and resourses in the unhappy event that there is not an alternative. Why the Saints Trust? Because it is a vehicle that has legal trust status and has the backing of the national supporters association. Forget the past. This needs to be a united effort or all will fail. TO REPEAT, THIS IS NOT AN ALTERNATIVE. IT IS NOT BEING SET UP TO CHALLENGE ANY OTHER BID. IT IS THE FALL BACK SHOULD ALL ELSE FAIL. On that basis if you do not support the idea you do not support Southampton Football Club when all other avenues fail.

Agree with this. Also have no problem with Crouch/McMenemy calling for support.

It has been in place for many years. More severe on points deduction in the last 2 seasons though. Used to be something like 0.5 per over before I seem to remember The scorers take into account delays on the field, wickets (about 2 minutes per wicket) and then negotiate with the umpires at the end of the game so that a fair assessment is taken. Hants had no excuses. Pothas will need to learn to manage this better in future.

Hampshire were deducted 3 points because of their over rate. It does not matter that the game was over in 3 days. The laws state that 16 overs need to be bowled an hour and the calculation is then applied over the whole game. Hampshire used their fast/seamers all the match. Pothas and the team would have been aware of the fact as the main score board showed they were -3 overs for much of the game. They could have used Dawson and Carberry to try to speed it up (that is what normally happens) but it was a low scoring pitch and weather threats. More important to get the win than worry about the over rate. All delays and loss of wickets are taken into account. In fairness to the team, they did run to the other end after each over.

There is no "nothing" option. We are only interested in information from those who wish to pledge support of last resort, not those who will pledge nothing.

Not me.

Thanks

Thanks Morph, are they bids with proven funds or just form filling bids at this stage?

Assuming it is between us and Forest on the last day, Sky will be there with live coverage. sigh

My information does not come via David Jones. As Financial Director of the plc, nor should it. As you say the AIM and Shareholders come first. It matters not now anyway. My sources are no longer sources.

That is not what I was told. The overdraft was reduced by the club back end of last year but rising again thereafter. That was when the "goalposts" were moved it has been told to me. If Dave Jones has told you different I would be interested to know.

As far as I can tell it was Barclays action that put us into Administration. Having told the club that the present overdraft would be ok until July they then recently moved the goal posts and reduced that limit insisting on immediate action to reduce. Frantic work by Lowe, Cowens and many behind the scenes failed to find the money required but even the day after the points deadline they were still working to save the situation. Then came the bank bouncing cheques. That was the signal we were no longer a going concern. Even on the day of the announcement the decision was delayed to give one avenue a final attempt to prove finances. Sadly that too failed. Administration is a disaster but we cannot turn back the clock. Let us hope that this is what a friend of mine calls "a detox of the club" We may come out of it fitter financially but, in my opinion, we will be frail and scarred IF we have a club at all. My friend does not share my pessimism. I hope he is right. Let me point out I am not having a go at Barclays. There are many factors but they pushed us over the cliff