Weston Saint

Reading Corporate Ho's posting I can only give this advice to posters trying to respond "Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience"

I think it is pretty sad when we cannot engage in fair minded discussion on football sites. Some of the recent comments on here relating to POL and the web site owners only show why they blanket ban. Pamplemousse. You are in breach of this sites rules publishing an email without the owners permission or knowledge. I hope no one is idiot enough to cause problems.

No that is not what Birch said. He stated that Chainrai does not get the stadium. http://audioboo.fm/boos/705674-part-one-of-pompey-administrator-trevor-birch-talking-to-solentsport-before-brighton-game?playlist_direction=reversed http://audioboo.fm/boos/705676-part-two-of-pompey-administrator-trevor-birch-talking-to-solentsport-before-brighton-game?playlist_direction=reversed http://audioboo.fm/boos/705679-part-three-of-pompey-administrator-trevor-birch-talking-to-solentsport-before-brighton-game?playlist_direction=reversed

I thought we were poor today but credit to Fox, Lallana and Chung. Canada Saint is correct we play too much sideway passes in midfield and lose the initiative. That said I thought Schneiderlin improved in the second half. The point is we who pay to watch good football want good football. Otherwise we could stay at home and listen to the radio for free. It is not just about the result although that is very important. I got bored how many times we just passed sideways and backwards meaning our forwards became ineffective. They wanted the ball, particularly Chung, but many of his runs were wasted. We do not have someone in the centre of midfield, a Jimmy Case or Alan Ball or Steve Williams who makes things happen. But I am a happy this evening.

Sorry Phil corrected now - cliff

If the club is liquidated the liquidator sells the assets they do not revert to Chainrai

"We fall of the cliff at the end of the season" "The club needs an extraordinary amount of money" Birch on Solent interview

OK I will bite. Born in Southampton in 1952 and stayed. First game at the Dell was in 1966 Testimonial to John Hollowbread when we thumped Pompey 6-1. Hooked and was a regular attender until the end of season 1970/71 when work intervened. Occasional from then when someone had a spare ticket. First away 1968 Chelsea - we won 3-2 First game at SMS was in our relegation season from Premier v Aston Villa - 2-0 up we were at half time and lost!! Got a season ticket from then on thanks first to Frank's Cousin wife who sold me hers and then in my own right.

Midlife crisis, not me. Married at 20, enjoyed being 30, 40, 50 and 60 comes up this year. Lovely wife for 39 years. 2 great daughters and now a grand daughter. Worked hard until 51 they got out with security for life Travelled in this country and abroad. Off to Barbados in May for 10 days Never had my head or heart turned. Life has been good and continues to be good. My late dad used to say "play the game straight and the game will play straight with you" Works for me.

The FL were always going to do what they can to help PFC just as they would any FL club facing liquidation. Money due to PFC was withheld to cover "football debts" but holding that money would likely mean liquidation. That is what Birch will have likely told them. He is respected, unlike AA, so they will believe him. He is probaby correct anyway. PFC have already been punished with -10 points. If they continued to withhold the outstanding £400,000 and the upcoming £400,000 that would hardly pay off the "football debts". Better they trust someone like Birch to try to find an owner who will then have to pay off all the "football debts". Of course a win in the Courts for HMRC will change that position. PFC's big problem is trying to sell a major loss making club with minimum facilities and a major wage bill with binding contracts running for at least another season. That with a club that faces the reality of Div 1 football. I just cannot see a genuine buyer. Even the Trust could not raise the money to do what is needed! They have not got away with it. Relegation, which looks favourite will put them back where they belong. Punishment enough for me but I am not one of the poor individuals who will lose money because PFC will not be paying the bills.

If they can pick it up on the cheap they anr not likely to afford the wage contracts for next season! Good for a laugh though.

Sorry but there is no way HMRC can know of the court verdict anymore that FL/FA or anyone else. When the Judge is ready to give his verdict he will announce the date and read it out in court. Hours before (or the night before if a 10:30am reading) the Judge will pass down his writted Judgement to both Counsels with strict instructions that they remain confidential until he had delivered his verdict in court. Counsel are not to give the verdict out to their clients. So no one can know. It is pure speculation by the poster.

Looks like Chainrai does not get it either! It is the wage contracts next season that will put off all potential investors.

OK I can now confirm I knew Lallana was not in the 16 despite travelling. I could not say before as it needed to be kept away from Leeds. He should be available for selection again against Ipswich on Tuesday. He was close.

Sometimes players travel even though they are not fit to play. Don't read anything into Chung being in the squad. Be nice though if he is availabe.

from 3 days ago Obviously did not do a good enough job of selling tickets!

Scan showed a Grade 1 groin strain. These syptoms usually disappear within a week and as of Wednesday he seemed on course. Agree with you, I would not risk him on Saturday or Tuesday.

I dined with Adam Lallana's father on Wednesday and can assure you that Adam's groin injury is not too bad. He is back doing line running. Will he be fit for Saturday? On Wednesday it was too early to tell. As the VMAN said last weekend, Leeds might come too soon. Adam is desperate to play every game but he has gained a level of maturity and knowledge of his own body mechanics to make the right call along with the Medical team.

As you have only picked out parts I assume you agree with the rest A The majority were sypathetic. It was the idiot minority. None of my many friends from down there wanted us to disappear. B Is that not what I said? there were diffences but not the fault of the supporters. If "cheating" is the wrong word I am sure you get the idea.

Bit of humility needed on this thread. Remember back a few years ago just before our owners came on the scene. We faced liquidation or a micky mouse outfit with no money coming on board. We got very lucky. I know there were many idiot pompey supporters who wanted us dead but the majority of the sensible ones, and I have many friends who are or were pompey season ticket holders, wanted us to survive. Sure they had a smile on their face when we lost games but in a friendly rivalry way, just as the majority of Saints supporters would. Sure there are differences why both South Coast Clubs went into Administration. Was that the fault of honest hard working supporters who looked to the club of their birth or attachment for football entertainment or escape. How many of our supporters hated Lowe because he would not invest to the next level by breaking our wage structure or transfer fees? Yet this is what we are now rightly blaming the Portsmouth Management for doing and what many other clubs are doing. If we get promotion I want it to be on merit. I do not want our 1-1 result at Pompey expunged because West Ham did better than us at FP. Is that not the same sort of "cheating" we are blaming of PFC. I do not want to see Portsmouth FC liquidated (all though I fear that will be the outcome) Yes I want to see them with a bloody nose and I want to see them in a lower division but not gone forever. Whatever you think of the present set up, there is history there and it is worth preserving. So B for me every time

This has to be the closest PFC have come to liquidation! Chainrai may want to save them to protect his interest but to do so he has to put more capital into the "money pit". What chance is there of then selling on! The ongoing contractural debts mean no one will be interested. They are just not sustainable. It is a dead club walking. Money transfusion will only prolong the agony. But as we know the Portsmouth saga has more twists than a twisty turny thing. This thread has a while to run yet.

Quite right too. No need to repeat what you have already said.

Here is a good note on decision HMRC, then Inland Revenue v Wimbledon FC (2004) In the case involving Wimbledon Football Club. The articles of association of the Football League and the League’s insolvency policy provide that, if a member of the League goes into administration, the League can require the relevant club to transfer its share in the League to a person nominated by the League for a nominal consideration and the administrators can only sell the share and the business and assets of the club as a League member if, under the terms of any sale agreement, the purchaser agrees to pay the debts of "football creditors" in full. The Inland Revenue challenged the proposed creditors’ voluntary arrangement for Wimbledon on the ground that it unfairly prejudiced the interests of the Revenue as a preferential creditor as it provided for the debts due to the football creditors to be paid for by the purchaser of the club. As the football creditors were being paid by the purchaser on behalf of the company but were not paid by the company out of its assets, the court held that there was no unfairness in the CVA so far as it provided for payment in full of the football creditors. Such payment was for practical purposes a condition precedent to any sale of Wimbledon as a going concern together with its membership of the League. Such a requirement of the buyer was a matter of commercial necessity and as such did not make the CVA unfair.

Let me clear up one thing. HMRC did not lose a court case reducing their power from preferred Creditor to unsecure. The Government passed this legislation in the Enterprise Act 2003. The particular section 251 Abolition of Crown preference. (1)The following paragraphs of Schedule 6 to the Insolvency Act 1986 (categories of preferential debts) shall cease to have effect— . (a)paragraphs 1 and 2 (debts due to Inland Revenue), . (b)paragraphs 3 to 5C(debts due to Customs and Excise), and . ©paragraphs 6 and 7(social security contributions). . (2)The following paragraphs of Schedule 3 to the Bankruptcy (Scotland) Act 1985 (c. 66) (list of preferred debts) shall cease to have effect— . (a)paragraph 1 (debts due to Inland Revenue), . (b)paragraph 2 (debts due to Customs and Excise), and . ©paragraph 3 (social security contributions). . (3)In section 386 of the Insolvency Act 1986 (categories of preferential debts) for the parenthetical words after “Schedule 6 to this Act” there shall be substituted “ (contributions to occupational pension schemes; remuneration, &c. of employees; levies on coal and steel production) ”. The HMRC have since challenged that the "Football Creditor" rule is unfair and against the principles of the Insolvency Act but have so far failed. The latest Appeal Hearing Judgement was reserved and we all await it's outcome. Nobody, including the Government, can know what the Judicial decide until it is made public. They can only speculate as we all do. It HMRC win then I suspect a number of clubs owing lots of money, including a high proportion to football creditors will go into Administration to cleanse their debt. Whilst the Football creditor rule is in force where is no point if the large proportion of their debt is to football as then liquidation and loss of the "Golden Share" was the consequence. West Ham were a good example. They owed so much to other clubs including their compensation to Sheffield United that Administration was not an option. If the HMRC do not receive a judgement in their favour the Government must act. Legislation must cleanse football and put them on the same footing as any other creditor including the crown. Returning HMRC to preferred creditor status is not the answer.

Pride goes before destruction Prejudice causes destruction