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Any streams please? Bloody DAZN doesn't cover the FA Cup and we get bloody curling before football in Canada - doh!

Shockingly bad. Shocking. 11 defeats out of last 14. We've conceded 3 goals or more 10 times this season - did I hear that right? The way we were 'not up' for that game from the outset was enough to seriously question if Ralph has it in him to motivate this team - or build a defence. Starting with the goalkeeper - neither Foster or McCarthy are in the top 80% of Premier League goalies IMO.

Yup. Atrocious first half. Heads not in the game from the first minute - given enough chances to wake up and still no reaction. Sorry, but just effortless nothingness - Redmond has been good last couple of games but he makes no effort to winn high balls. Foster should have paused before kicking long to let our two defenders push up...but any sort of challenge or jump from Redmond could have put their defenders header off that led to their first goal. Bednarek terrible - backing off every time. Call the changes at half time Ralph - send a message to us supporters that this is not acceptable!

Good call.

So happy with that result - that was Saints season in a game in reverse - so bad first 28 mins (although unlucky to have that early penalty against us) - then brilliant after Armstrong's goal...then back to nervy 'defending' in the last 10 minutes. Noon start means 4.00am in Vancouver - went through the same emotions as most of us after going 0-2 down but something told me not to fast-forward and was rewarded for watching it through. We really did deserve to win that on chances created, shots and shots on target.

Respect your choice but disagree. Also think it's not a moot debate...we played with freedom and some attacking flair against Bournemouth - and abject against Newcastle, Brighton and others. Don't get me wrong - I'd LOVE to see us win the cup - I still remember exactly where I was when we won in 1976 (playing cricket for the school at an away game against Loretto and listening to the game on a smuggled radio...getting strange looks for screaming when Bobby Stokes scored)...so I don't undervalue it. Neither do I underestimate our situation in the league. I reckon we'll need at least another 6 points, possibly 7 or 8. We have the worst form in the division. Fulham are in form and look like getting out of trouble. Newcastle have a habit of waking up when they need to. Burnley looked like Brazil against Everton - and West Brom looked 500% better than us today vs Chelsea. So where are we getting our points? Would you really swap a (let's face it) a rank-outside chance of winning a Cup Final for our Premier League security? 90 minutes at Wembley (be there anyway for the semi-final, dilutes it) vs a drop to the Championship and potential obscurity for years to come? I wouldn't.

So JWP in or not? I would definitely take 3 points here over an FA Cup result if we were forced to choose - I said that when we played Wolves twice in a row.

Thank you - got it - perfect timing! Great goal Djenepo...and Redmond pass

Any other livestreams? Can't get the others to work...

I don't care about the FA Cup - even if we win we that game we won't win the Cup - a part of me wants us to lose so there can be no confusion that premier league survival is the only priority we have for this season and we have time to do it. I reckon we will need 38 or 39 points to stay up. That abysmal performance today - really all we had to do was not lose and we had no fight, no mettle - and our bottom-of-the-league form suggests the 5 or 6 points we need are far, far from guaranteed. Sheffield and West Brom are down. Fulham are in form and look good to pick up wins - I'm sure folks have noticed how well Harrison Reed and Lemina are playing for Scott Parker (can we recall Lemina btw?) Brighton have been getting less points than they deserved for a while now and deserved their points today. Burnley were brilliant last game and have way too much grit vs us. Newcastle are now my hope for slumping...jeez how significant is that pathetic performance against 9 men and the Danny Ings miss off the inside of the post now?!

TERRIBLE! If there's an opposite of 'Up for it' that was it. We were second to everything, slow, ponderous, totally second-best to everything. For such a crucial game I just do not get it. So frustrating to watch. Any of those people who were saying not so long ago they'd rather beat Wolves in the Cup than have the three points next game feel different now? If we play like that I cannot see us getting another point. We are in serious danger of going down this season.

Can we be the ones to stop Man city's winning run?

Gotta win, simple as that. No first half or second half psychology - full on effort for 97+ minutes, whatever it takes. Foster in goal. Rest Redmond. Such a shame Romeu is out for this - needed his grit to combat grit. Time for Ings to find the net again, Adams to do the same, Armstrong to show his class, JWP to get free kick opportunities, KWP to be fit and play, Salisu to find the beast in himself, Vest to get that headed goal and keep them out, Bednarek to score and get some confidence back...any one of our youth team to step up and finally prove their credentials. 0-4 to the Saints! Gotta dream. Getting really bored with this losing lark.

Missed the last 20 minutes which sounds like it was the best part of the game for us, but the truth is Ralph said it - this is not the same team that we had in the first half of the season that did so well...three youngsters and a bench of Academy players. The pivotal miss for us is KWP for me. I thought he was out for months, so what have I missed about people saying they hope he's playing Saturday? Not only does he have pace to cover back at RB, but he also provides attacking options that create chances for the front two, whoever they are. Suddenly we've lost both an attacking and a defensive strength. Bertrand is well past his prime. Bednerak is an okay CB and a terrible RB. None of our Academy players have convinced me they're good enough for PL status. We can fill in at DM, but not at RB or LB. I don't rate Valery, but what were they smoking when they let him go - if ever there was a time for him to be there to prove himself this is it. Crazy decision. Voikins too. We have to go back to basics and get a defence that knows how to defend. Today - Armstrong tops, Djenepo really played hard for the shirt and out of position at the end, JWP solid, Foster looked sharp - not his fault for the well-taken goal. The rest...meh...Salisu needs a complete mindset re-set...grow a pair and start bossing the game, Redmond - just learn how to not give up possession, not to give stupid niggardly fouls away, how to shoot on target and come back when you can do that, Adams, it's more than brute body strength it's anticipation and having a shot, Ings...where have you gone? come back please. Everybody should spend an entire training session shooting the ball into an empty net just to remember what it feels like for the ball to go into the net again!

You might be right Austsaint - but I share Raging Bull's sentiments and may just spare myself the pain - think SNSUN may have the solution, watch the first half end 0-0 or worse, then turn off and get the result later. I don't think I've ever been as pessimistic or cynical about our chances of winning a game of football - I didn't used to be like this. Covid or a run of 1 point out of 24 and a VAR dice that only rolls one way? Trying to leave on a positive vibe...maybe this is the game we play even more crap than usual and everything goes our way...win with a wrong-call VAR penalty in the 93rd minute... OMMMM

Any masochists actually going to watch this?

Shaking head shaking head. I've invested too much emotional energy into this Saints side. I get what Ralph was trying to do saving up the firepower for the second half but the minute we let that first goal in (crap missed tackle Vestergard and no save from McCarthy) that plan was done. 1 point out of the last 24 on offer. Gotta realise we are relegation form and heading into that scrap. This was the game we had to win - or at least not lose. Fail big time.

Good post. If we could let our opponents use up their energy in the first half, then save the intensity and pressing for second halves.... But we'd still need more fair refereeing decisions than we've had.

Right. We have been incredibly unlucky and victims of some incredibly bad decisions - that penalty today was a killer and the turning point in the game. We need to do whatever we have to do to not lose next game. Have to stop the rot. That win against Liverpool looks like a curse now. Let's just get off 29 points. Can we park a bus? (No need to answer, we don't have a bus, not even a camper van...more like a 2CV with no doors).

Did anyone understand why Armstrong was substituted? One of the few in our team who knows where the net is.

Sorry S-Clarke...watched the game with an Arsenal fan friend - both of us would rather have had the league points than the Cup win. Goes without saying I'd love to win the cup again, but seriously, with our squad and form...against a Man Utd or Man City playing to win? It's a fantasy at this point... take the 3 points and preserve our Premier League status priority No.1, 2, and 3. After that abysmal performance against Newcastle and the way the last three games have panned out my optimism is at an all-time low...sorry, but I'm just hoping we don't get any more injuries in a very long-odds attempt at the Cup.

When you think of it, three of the worst game outcomes imaginable in a row. Villa, robbed by corrupt officials. Man Utd, everything that could go wrong did, plus criminal VAR and reffing. Newcastle, way to rub it in and deflate confidence further. Time for the sun to shine on us a bit.

My birthday today. Thanks for nothing Saints. That was worse than the 9-0 for me. Slow, ponderous build-up and after hitting the post we never looked like scoring against 9 men. Not enough subs not quick enough and wrong ones. So many bad performances. All I was asking for was to get off this bloody 29 point mark.. Ralph, that was a terrible result.

With you Dorchester. Think we will win this if we play with confidence and courage. 3-4-3 works for me. Only have three defenders anyway so why not! Forgive the dumb question but can anyone tell me what injuries KWP and Vest have - both done in training. Moderators - can we start a new 'this century' injury update thread?

Thanks for the giggle Turkish...luxxxxerry!...caaardboard box, caardboard ? luuuxxerry! We used to get out our ole in the ground and lick road clean wit tounge! 52 real years supporting Saints and nobody should be surprised we aren't backing promise with investment. Happy with Minamino deal all the same - making the most of what we can do.