Barry the Badger Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 Reading the arguments on here tonight, I wondered how a table would look if we ignored those first ten games where Pardew was still sorting out the mess he had taken on and trying to get players bedded in etc. I think a lot of the problems with people being dissapointed with our league position actually still stems from those first ten games, and I think Pardew really had his work cut out at that time. So here it is, haven't bothered with goal difference but here are the points scored since the start of October... Norwich - 47 Swindon & Millwall - 32 Saints, Leeds, Colchester & Charlton - 31 Huddersfield - 27 MK Dons - 25 Carlilse - 22 Brentford, Yeovil, Leyton Orient - 21 Hartlepool, Southend, Exeter, Brighton - 19 Bristol R, Walsall, Tranmere - 18 Gillingham - 17 Wycombe - 14 Oldham - 11 Stockport 5 So it's only really Norwich who are racing away from us. Apart from that, since Pardew got the team sorted out we have kept pace with all the front runners. Personally, I'm pretty happy with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 Pretty pointless though IMO. The first 10games DO count Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 Of course the 1st ten count, but they show just how **** we were then compared to now, proving what everyone had been trying to tell those complaining. What the table shows is that we are catching those above, slowly but surely. In 20 games time it will be very interesting to see how the table looks to reflect the good results we have been grinding out now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 Reading the arguments on here tonight, I wondered how a table would look if we ignored those first ten games where Pardew was still sorting out the mess he had taken on and trying to get players bedded in etc. I think a lot of the problems with people being dissapointed with our league position actually still stems from those first ten games, and I think Pardew really had his work cut out at that time. So here it is, haven't bothered with goal difference but here are the points scored since the start of October... Norwich - 47 Swindon & Millwall - 32 Saints, Leeds, Colchester & Charlton - 31 Huddersfield - 27 MK Dons - 25 Carlilse - 22 Brentford, Yeovil, Leyton Orient - 21 Hartlepool, Southend, Exeter, Brighton - 19 Bristol R, Walsall, Tranmere - 18 Gillingham - 17 Wycombe - 14 Oldham - 11 Stockport 5 So it's only really Norwich who are racing away from us. Apart from that, since Pardew got the team sorted out we have kept pace with all the front runners. Personally, I'm pretty happy with that. think most with more than two brain cells can see this is a valid point and shows we should be looking forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 I sort of agree I don't think we've been doing badly this season. The fact of the matter though is the -10 pts do count and so do the first ten games. On a level playing field (which this season hasn't been for Saints) we'd be right up there challanging for the play offs at least. However we started slow and we started behind everyone else. This season was never going to be easy. I think some people convinced themselves promotion was a reailty this year and now it's slipping away they're getting upset. For me this is the best season I've seen in a while, mid-table and good cup runs will be a good year for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 26 January, 2010 Author Share Posted 26 January, 2010 Pretty pointless though IMO. The first 10games DO count I appreciate that.... But I think this helps chart our progress without those first ten games "muddying the waters", so to speak, for those who are worried about how many points we are picking up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKimish Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 Norwich - 47 Swindon & Millwall - 32 Saints, Leeds, Colchester & Charlton - 31 Huddersfield - 27 MK Dons - 25 Carlilse - 22 Brentford, Yeovil, Leyton Orient - 21 Hartlepool, Southend, Exeter, Brighton - 19 Bristol R, Walsall, Tranmere - 18 Gillingham - 17 Wycombe - 14 Oldham - 11 Stockport 5 So it's only really Norwich who are racing away from us. Apart from that, since Pardew got the team sorted out we have kept pace with all the front runners. Personally, I'm pretty happy with that. This makes for very interesting reading, cheers for making the effort to put the table together. I do however feel we should be playing at a better points average than Colchester, Swindon and Millwall but we have not by any means been playing badly. I'm looking forward to what must be an easy win on Saturday followed by the possiblilty of a cup final place secured next week. Will be interesting to see how the moods of people on here change after a few wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 27 January, 2010 Share Posted 27 January, 2010 In the table yes, but in the slagging off of a team that didn't exist for the first 10 games, no. So it might prevent us going up, but it should also prevent the level of stupidity we're seeing on here every time we fail to win. exactly mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 27 January, 2010 Share Posted 27 January, 2010 Pretty pointless though IMO. The first 10 games DO count Of course they will , this is exactly (the rather obvious) point I've been vainly trying to make on here for several months now . All the manipulation of statistics in the world won't make us a better team than we really are unfortunately nor will masking the truth serve any good purpose . You can forget your so-called 'form guides' they are irrelevant if not damn right misleading and I can assure you an endless list of excuses for not doing better than we have will mean nothing in May - all that really matters is our actual (mid table) league position and the hard fact that we have scored 1.5 points per game on average . As for the rest I'll leave that for the flim-flam merchants on here - they know who they are . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 27 January, 2010 Share Posted 27 January, 2010 Pretty pointless though IMO. The first 10games DO count ..(sadly) so too, do those 10 points deducted:mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 27 January, 2010 Share Posted 27 January, 2010 (edited) Reading the arguments on here tonight, I wondered how a table would look if we ignored those first ten games where Pardew was still sorting out the mess he had taken on and trying to get players bedded in etc. I think a lot of the problems with people being dissapointed with our league position actually still stems from those first ten games, and I think Pardew really had his work cut out at that time. So here it is, haven't bothered with goal difference but here are the points scored since the start of October... Norwich - 47 Swindon & Millwall - 32 Saints, Leeds, Colchester & Charlton - 31 Huddersfield - 27 MK Dons - 25 Carlilse - 22 Brentford, Yeovil, Leyton Orient - 21 Hartlepool, Southend, Exeter, Brighton - 19 Bristol R, Walsall, Tranmere - 18 Gillingham - 17 Wycombe - 14 Oldham - 11 Stockport 5 So it's only really Norwich who are racing away from us. Apart from that, since Pardew got the team sorted out we have kept pace with all the front runners. Personally, I'm pretty happy with that. I think results are OK too but in the league we are still not beating the top teams which is a slight worry we seem to be able to beat the teams below us but not the teams above I think MK dons is the only one we have beaten 1 Norwich 2 Leeds United 3 Charlton 4 Colchester 5 Swindon 6 Millwall 7 Huddersfield 8 MK Dons 9 Bristol Rovers 10 Brentford 11 Carlisle 12 Walsall 13 Yeovil 14 Hartlepool 15 Southampton 16 Southend 17 Leyton Orient 18 Exeter 19 Gillingham 20 Brighton 21 Oldham 22 Tranmere 23 Wycombe 24 Stockport but have beaten them in Cup Competions Edited 27 January, 2010 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff Saint Posted 27 January, 2010 Share Posted 27 January, 2010 This is a great point. I tried to do a similar thing over Christmas, covering September to Boxing Day. We were second in that table, a point behind Leeds but they had a game in hand. Of course the first 10 games count but the whole point of this season is to make sure we travel in the right direction. Even 'mighty' Leeds are showing how you will have a blip and we are no different. The trouble for us is that with our ten points off and the fact we didn't really have a team until September, any blip we suffered from was going to make it very hard to make the play offs. With a full pre-season and the ten points i reckon we'd have been firmly in that top 3 and this goes some way to backing that up. Next season that will be tested but bring it on. Not that this season is dead yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 27 January, 2010 Share Posted 27 January, 2010 10 wins from last 26 (league) tells the true story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 27 January, 2010 Author Share Posted 27 January, 2010 10 wins from last 26 (league) tells the true story. And there is the main point. I completely disagree. Personally I think that 9 wins from the last 16 tells the true story of how we are doing in this league. Clearly the arguments come down to whether or not you think its reasonable to include the first ten games when judging our progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 27 January, 2010 Share Posted 27 January, 2010 (edited) And there is the main point. I completely disagree. Personally I think that 9 wins from the last 16 tells the true story of how we are doing in this league. Clearly the arguments come down to whether or not you think its reasonable to include the first ten games when judging our progress. No it does not because we are not beating the top clubs now or at the start of the season Edited 27 January, 2010 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazingstoke Saint Posted 27 January, 2010 Share Posted 27 January, 2010 Thanks for doing the sums - interesting outcome and a source of encouragement that we have improved both in results and consistency so much. I wonder how folk might be feeling if we had won the first 10 games and lost nearly all the ones since then? we might have a similar points total to now (factoring in minus 10), but it wouldn't feel half as good as it does now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 27 January, 2010 Share Posted 27 January, 2010 Thanks for the insight. It reinforces what we all knew and thought, that we had a poor start to the season. I also think that we have, quite understandably, had too many changes in the team to reach any consistency, and that AP is still working towards finding his best 11 players. The cup wins show that there is now a great spirit in the club and for the first time in years we are moving upwards, albeit at a slower pace than some would desire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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